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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by vacri »

mikk14 wrote: post #193
snarf21 wrote: post #177

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This is scary and keeps getting worse. As a citizen, I'm even worried about traveling and coming back. Do I want my phone confiscated because a friend from high school tagged me in a political post a random border patrol agent disagrees with? or worse? Remember, they have not stopped any terrorist attacks in the US with all the new surveillance since 9/11 (to my knowledge). "Those who would give up essential Liberty,…

While I share the sentiment, misquoting people who were saying almost the opposite of what you meant is not going to go very far. Franklin wasn't talking at all about what you were thinking he was talking. It was about an argument on taxation. http://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famous...

From your own link: "So I don't really have a problem with people misusing the quotation, but I also think it's worth remembering what it was really about."

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Post by vacri »

truxus wrote: post #196
coldtea wrote: post #136

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> Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? Ask a person in Argentina, Chile, Spain, and lots of other places besides. > I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? Because their social media lives are not its business -- citizens or not.

>Because their social media lives are not its business -- citizens or not. This is a bit absurd. First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees your right to publish papers. But now you also want the right to prevent your publications from being read? The government has had a program collecting a vast majority of publications for a very long time i.e. the Library of Congress, so one might say the precedent has alread…

Social media accounts have plenty of private messages going on. The Library of Congress doesn't store a copy of every citizen's mail.

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Post by vacri »

coldtea wrote: post #140
ehnto wrote: post #117

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Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Smart, well educated individuals, all motivated by the perpetual drive for international relevance and the existential dread of possibly being taken by the wildlife at any moment.

> Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Because it's even worse in this regard. > Smart, well educated individuals Well, let's not generalize.

> Because it's even worse in this regard.

Do you have some stories of conference speakers or attendees being treated this way in Australia?

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Post by vacri »

jcranmer wrote: post #107
SerLava wrote: post #7

Something to realize here: If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. They're going to be able to say you're probably just hiding your real account. That could factor into denying you entry into a country. If this becomes common with many countries, it could become de facto illegal to kee…

> If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. Why not? According to an article I read, only about 75% of US teens use Instagram and a similar amount use Snapchat (the only media the article gave). Quite frankly, about 10-20% of even First World populations don't use social media or use it…

> about 10-20% of even First World populations don't use social media

Does your number include old people? I imagine a border guard would be more willing to accept a retiree not using social media than a college-age student.

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Post by vacri »

spraak wrote: post #103
cr1895 wrote: post #28

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>Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Are you not posting here?

Can you explain how you see Hacker News as social media?

How is having an online discussion different if it's on Facebook or HN?

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Post by baursak »

gumby wrote: post #239
baursak wrote: post #236

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"US Persons" includes everyone living in the US regardless of immigration status.

Turns out not to be the case, and in particular not the case for immigration and surveillance purposes. In these cases it's explicitly US citizens and green card holders (plus certain corporations). See 22 U.S. Code § 6010: 'As used in this chapter, the term “United States person” means any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States, and any corporation, partnership, or other…

Thanks, you're right. Apparently there are several US Persons definitions!

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Post by ehnto »

raverbashing wrote: post #174
ehnto wrote: post #117

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Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Smart, well educated individuals, all motivated by the perpetual drive for international relevance and the existential dread of possibly being taken by the wildlife at any moment.

Honest answer? It's very far for pretty much everybody not in AUS/NZ 12h if you're in the West Coast, a shorter trip if you're in Japan and that's "the closest" most people will be

Well, Elon did announce his BFR Earth to Earth solution in Adelaide, South Australia, which resides near the bottom of the continent. Perhaps he had a market segment in mind.

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Post by sverige »

cr1895 wrote: post #28
sverige wrote: post #18

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Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Many of my high school and college classmates are similarly situated. None of the major social media platforms were founded before I was in my mid-forties, which is why there was never any incentive to start any accounts. I enjoy getting older. It spares me a lot of drama.

>Maybe 50 should be the upper bound. I'm in my fifties and have never had any sort of social media account. Are you not posting here?

I considered that, and had a couple of thoughts:

1. HN is not a place where I seek "likes," karma (I know some do though), or share gifs of cats. Since there is karma and some sort of static identity attached to comments, though, I suppose it could be considered a social site to some. OTOH, I do not hold a Swedish passport, and do not plan to travel to Sweden, so tying my passport or other ID to my identity here would not be obvious, unless you count the NSA or whoever having the ability to tie my real name to this account.

2. I doubt HN is on the DHS list of 'social media sites' with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, and whatever other sites you kids are using these days.

P.S. Please don't misunderstand me: I love funny cat gifs. It is the main reason to allow the internet to continue to exist.

P.P.S. Yes, the above P.S. was included solely to influence border security when they crack my laptop / phone and find HN on my bookmarked sites with my login credentials saved and start scrolling through my comments here. Fortunately, I self-censor to avoid losing too much karma with any single comment, which should keep me safely in the mainstream of contemporary public mores and avoid arousing suspicion.

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Post by sverige »

vacri wrote: post #245
spraak wrote: post #103

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Can you explain how you see Hacker News as social media?

How is having an online discussion different if it's on Facebook or HN?

First, there's no real name policy here. Second, the quality of content and discussion is much higher here than on Facebook. Third, the HN community is tiny compared to Facebook. For starters.

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Post by fiblye »

brentm wrote: post #178
fiblye wrote: post #106

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Honestly, as an American, I wouldn't be so hopeful. People were 100% sure things would turn out differently just a year ago, and anyone who said differently was openly mocked for being delusional. Things are going to get far worse before they get better. Even then, just thinking a different president will fix anything is part of the problem.

A toxic culture starts from the top. DJT's seeming enjoyment of the driving of division between parties (and even within his own) is part of the problem. He is not the only problem and removing him isn't a cure but a hopeful/forward looking leader (from either party) doing everything he/she can to positive push the people together would be better for the country.

The problems started long ago. It's all too convenient to in any way imply a presidential switch will have any effect on it.
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