Apple Open Source

#1

Post by reednj » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:45 AM UTC

Re: Apple Open Source

#2

Post by reednj » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:48 AM UTC

Haven't seen any offical annocement for this, but it looks like they open sourced every version before the current releases

Re: Apple Open Source

#3

Post by ubercow » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 3:57 AM UTC

The iOS kernel is not open source, just the macOS version of XNU.

Re: Apple Open Source

#4

Post by no_protocol » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:04 AM UTC

reednj wrote: post #2

Haven't seen any offical annocement for this, but it looks like they open sourced every version before the current releases

Was there something new in here you found interesting? This site is posted quite often:

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=opensource.apple.com&type=stor...

The most recent time was just a couple weeks ago, there was a large discussion along with it.

The most interesting thing to me would be if someone would highlight all the patches Apple has added to these packages.

Re: Apple Open Source

#5

Post by reednj » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:15 AM UTC

no_protocol wrote: post #4

reednj wrote: post #2

Haven't seen any offical annocement for this, but it looks like they open sourced every version before the current releases

Was there something new in here you found interesting? This site is posted quite often: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=opensource.apple.com&type=stor... The most recent time was just a couple weeks ago, there was a large discussion along with it. The most interesting thing to me would be if someone would highlight all the patches Apple has added to these packages.

Sorry... I didn't see that it was a dup. Usually it tells you when the exact url has been submitted before?

Re: Apple Open Source

#6

Post by lobster_johnson » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:27 AM UTC

ubercow wrote: post #3

The iOS kernel is not open source, just the macOS version of XNU.

They released it: https://github.com/apple/darwin-xnu

Edit: Except it's still missing crucial ARM code.

Re: Apple Open Source

#7

Post by mcescalante » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:39 AM UTC

no_protocol wrote: post #4

reednj wrote: post #2

Haven't seen any offical annocement for this, but it looks like they open sourced every version before the current releases

Was there something new in here you found interesting? This site is posted quite often: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=opensource.apple.com&type=stor... The most recent time was just a couple weeks ago, there was a large discussion along with it. The most interesting thing to me would be if someone would highlight all the patches Apple has added to these packages.

I agree this could use a more fitting title, otherwise it does seem like a dupe even though the 10.13 stuff may not have been posted a few weeks ago.

Re: Apple Open Source

#8

Post by kccqzy » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 4:39 AM UTC

There was a time when Apple would use open source (and this website) as a marketing tool. Probably back in the Tiger/Leopard days. And they used to contribute their userland fixes to upstream BSD too. These days Apple doesn’t seem as committed to open sourcing of its core OS software as it once did.

Re: Apple Open Source

#9

Post by yuhong » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 5:07 AM UTC

kccqzy wrote: post #8

There was a time when Apple would use open source (and this website) as a marketing tool. Probably back in the Tiger/Leopard days. And they used to contribute their userland fixes to upstream BSD too. These days Apple doesn’t seem as committed to open sourcing of its core OS software as it once did.

Open sourcing the entire macOS probably still would not be difficult. Doing the same with iOS would be much harder.

Re: Apple Open Source

#10

Post by trapperkeeper74 » Sat, Sep 30, 2017, 6:49 AM UTC

They could open source everything but secret keys for cloud, secure enclave, secure booting, etc. It’s not like it would help knock-off iDevices or putting something other an iOS on an iDevice. Jailbreaking is almost dead and there hasn’t been much movement on making more system features having third-party plugins (ie iOS 11 Control Center Custom Controls).

Ideally, I’d like to see an opensource software and hardware phone with zero opaque binary firmware blobs, something that is independently verified by tearing apart, decapping and X-ray/microscope RTL verification. Security through crypto and the right eyeballs able to scrutinize end products with maximum information.