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But you can always play the victim card ans act like history never happened.
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Where does the recursion end? Should Catalonia accept independence from pockets where the majority wants to be Spanish?
The recursion ends where people wants it to end. Can your neighborhood struck trade deals with India? Then maybe your neighborhood wants to team up with others around to do that... See where I'm going?
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Think out of the box. Is moral a law that forbids people speaking? Self-determination is in the human rights and Catalonia has more than 1000 years of history, culture and language. Democracy cannot be illegal, so this banning must be disobbeyed. Without disobbeying, woman and black people would not vote nowadays, so history proves it is a good way to take down immoral legal laws. EDIT: UN experts say that Spain must…
I've heard pro-independence people twisting facts for over 20 years... Not surprised anymore. Democracy is deciding new law based on current law following people's desires... Like it or not, every day meter of Catalan soil belongs as much to a Catalan woman as to an Andalusian man... Nobody in his right mind would say that Catalonia is an oppressed region by Spain's government... Quite the opposite actually.
Like it or not, Catalonia will break away from Spain if it wants to and there's nothing Spain can do to stop it short of murdering thousands of people. That's the choice Spain will have to make when it comes down to it.
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Even the US has precedent on banning speech that will "incite imminent lawless action". And compared to countries like the UK or Germany they are a bastion of free speech. I agree free speech laws in pretty much every country are unethical because they are arrayed in a way to ban speech that might risk the dissolution of the nation, but every single country has those laws because its governments trying to protect the…
"And compared to countries like the UK or Germany they are a bastion of free speech." Care to elucidate me on what basis that statement lies? I am a UKoGBnNI citizen who has also lived in DE for a few years in the West Germany part in the 70's and 80's and have friends who are native to DE. In the UK we have laws banning inflammatory speech of various types that are clearly categorised and so does Deutschland. Both c…
Free speech laws in the US are strictly governed at the federal level, not at the city / state / county level. Your comment accordingly makes no sense. The states are legally unable to make any laws abridging freedom of speech. Every time a local entity has attempted such, it has ultimately been struck down by the federal government, which retains supremacy over many rights (and will ensure those rights with force against a local entity if necessary, as when ending segregation).
It doesn't matter that they can circumvent it. The fact that the Spanish government has taken such drastic actions means that the result of the vote will be completely meaningless and illegitimate. Opponents of the referendum who agree with the Spanish government will not participate.
Ah, that explains why I saw various catalán sites being pinned on the IPFS pinning service I run ( https://www.eternum.io ), which also runs a public writable gateway (so you can access IPFS files, including the banned catalán websites, through it). Having just gotten back from Barcelona, I have to say that the way the Spanish government is handling this is far from ideal. I don't very much support the Catalonian ple…
Do you mind technically explaining a bit more about pinning, how it works and why would anyone do it?
In the process, you make it available for anyone else who ask for it, but only for a limited time; until the Garbage Collector (GC) runs. If I remember correctly, the GC run once every hour or so, so you probably won't reshare the data for longer than that.
You need to pin the data if you want to keep resharing it. This effectively tells the GC to not touch it.
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Let me add one thing: the current Spanish Constitution was subject to a referendum in 1978. In Catalonia, it was approved by 90.46% of the votes.
1978, shortly after the dictatorship ended, a time in which Spain was still dominated by cronies from that very dictatorship, and who proceeded to dictate the Constitution. So in 1978 Catalonia's vote mattered and you're claiming today it does not.
Only all Spaniards can vote regarding the integrity and sovereignty of Spain.
If you think 1978's Constitution was approved under some form of oppression, fight that, there are clear ways to change the Constitution. But do not support any illegal activities that remove rights from the rest of the people in the country.
The root of the democracy is the respect to the law. Not "voting".
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Catalonia is one of the highest earning areas of Spain, constituting about 20% of the nation's GDP. Their secession would be about as well received as New York or California's from the US.
I have the impression that quite a few conservatives in the US would be thrilled to see New York and California leave, regardless of the economic implications.
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Let me add one thing: the current Spanish Constitution was subject to a referendum in 1978. In Catalonia, it was approved by 90.46% of the votes.
1978, shortly after the dictatorship ended, a time in which Spain was still dominated by cronies from that very dictatorship, and who proceeded to dictate the Constitution. So in 1978 Catalonia's vote mattered and you're claiming today it does not.