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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by kilburn »

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

On the one hand, look at these maps [1], that show the results of the general spanish elections since the dissolution of the dictatoship. Do you see the upper-right part that is nearly always different than the majority? That is Catalonia.

Catalans also have a different language, a strong sense of being a nation (their "local consitution" says so!), etc.. Money is one of the reasons, but not the only one, not even by a long shot.

[1] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Elecciones_en_España#Dis...

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by [deleted] »

pm90 wrote: post #87
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

150 years after the US civil war, the confederate flag is still flying around. I wouldn't be to hasty to call it eventual.

While that's true, its only a small, mostly racist white minority that is really serious about secession. And don't forget that the Catalan people have their own cultural identity for hundreds of years. i.e. they have a legitimate claim of being different from other Spaniards and thus wishing for their independence.

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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by icebraining »

faragon wrote: post #116
zakk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are comparing the two, you have never visited Catalunya. The flag is everywhere, also they speak a different language.

That's not correct. In mother tongue terms, 55% of population in Catalonia has the Spanish as his tongue (mother/habitual tongue), and 35% Catalan. The "economic power" is in hands of Catalan-"ethnic" people, though. Source (official): https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=ed&lang=en "The first casualty when war comes is truth".

55% of population has Spanish as their mother tongue, but that's not necessarily what they speak now. Is there any poll showing what they actually speak daily?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by zardo »

kodablah wrote: post #30
diggan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative approach: Instead of using the IPFS2HTTP gateways (that can easily be censored, as gateway.ipfs.io has already been censored in Catalunya), run a IPFS daemon locally that cannot be censored (but is not anonymous either). I live in Catalunya and wrote this tool for doing just that, in a easy way. It 1) starts a go-ipfs daemon locally, 2) opens up the referendum website in your default browser, via localhos…

> that cannot be censored I am not familiar with IPFS internals, but is there no pattern to the IPFS traffic that the ISPs can shape/block? Too bad about the entire IPFS domain being blocked, because besides the host, HTTPS traffic has safety in numbers. If only there was a way to proxy through google.com or some other popular domain too important to block.

IPFS is P2P and very delay tolerant. It can run on a sneaker-net.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by bmelton »

faragon wrote: post #116
zakk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are comparing the two, you have never visited Catalunya. The flag is everywhere, also they speak a different language.

That's not correct. In mother tongue terms, 55% of population in Catalonia has the Spanish as his tongue (mother/habitual tongue), and 35% Catalan. The "economic power" is in hands of Catalan-"ethnic" people, though. Source (official): https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=ed&lang=en "The first casualty when war comes is truth".

If I'm recalling correctly from NPR this morning, nearly 100% of Catalan people under the age of 40 speak Catalan, while very few over the age of 40 do.

This is the result of the language having been made illegal, then not illegal, then taught predominately by the school systems.

Is it possible the 55% who speak Spanish primarily fall along those demographic lines? Is it also possible that some portion of that 55% speaks both Spanish and Catalan?

Sincere question. I know very little of the situation.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit »

ktzar wrote: post #134
elecbit wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think out of the box. Is moral a law that forbids people speaking? Self-determination is in the human rights and Catalonia has more than 1000 years of history, culture and language. Democracy cannot be illegal, so this banning must be disobbeyed. Without disobbeying, woman and black people would not vote nowadays, so history proves it is a good way to take down immoral legal laws. EDIT: UN experts say that Spain must…

I've heard pro-independence people twisting facts for over 20 years... Not surprised anymore. Democracy is deciding new law based on current law following people's desires... Like it or not, every day meter of Catalan soil belongs as much to a Catalan woman as to an Andalusian man... Nobody in his right mind would say that Catalonia is an oppressed region by Spain's government... Quite the opposite actually.

Democracy is listening the majority of a group, without forgetting and respecting the minorities.

You don't argument why Catalonia is not opressed. Banning all the laws emerging from its parliament is not respecting.

Sorry Spaniards, we will vote. It's not about you, it's about us. It's not about us feeling superior or supremacist. It's about deciding our way, as we think too different in too many things. We can be good neighbours.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by tbatchelli »

kilburn wrote: post #2

Author here. I've tried to keep the article as apolitical as possible, while giving some context to provide the setting. Anyway, I'm very interested in knowing if the used crypto is sound or not, and stirring a discussion around possible alternative approaches. Ask me anything if you want to know further!

This is a very interesting real world use of IPFS. Is this the first real world & large scale use of it?

So far it seems it is delivering on its promise: I was able to find my voting station. Too bad I am a continent and and ocean away from home :(

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by striking »

kilburn wrote: post #42
antaviana wrote: post #31

"Basically, the code recurses a sha256 computation 1714 times to get a lookup key, and then once more to get a password for decryption." This is an Easter Egg. Barcelona fell on September 11, 1714 during the War of Spanish Succession and with that Catalonia's freedom as well. September 11 is the National Day of Catalonia. Also, at 17:14 of each and every game of FC Barcelona in Camp Nou Stadium, Barcelona fans claim…

The 1714 is in an abbr tag with a title that explains that ;)

That's pretty hard to notice, haha.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by kilburn »

amongwhales wrote: post #129
kilburn wrote: post #2

Author here. I've tried to keep the article as apolitical as possible, while giving some context to provide the setting. Anyway, I'm very interested in knowing if the used crypto is sound or not, and stirring a discussion around possible alternative approaches. Ask me anything if you want to know further!

fyi: Advantages is misspelled as advanta(d)ges in Paragraph ~6 under "A website stored in IPFS" Thanks! This is a great read

I actually thought it was spelled that way :S Corrected, thank you!
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