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Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by KGIII »

timthelion wrote: post #64
clarry wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they also adopt Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc.? But I would give a thumbs up for Gopher support.

I would hope they adopt Tor at some point. That would be awesome. Why shouldn't they?

I'd guess the two biggest issues would be bloat and expectations.

Doing so is going to add bloat that is needless to the majority of people. If they add support for Tor, people are going to expect them to add support for more protocols, from torrents to freenet to gopher.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by amelius »

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense.

Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level?

Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Absolute democracy seems to result in an undesirable situation, because do we really want to live in a world that converges towards little selfish islands?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by justin66 »

jacquesm wrote: post #37
kilburn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The spanish constituion explicitly states that Spain is an indivisible country. Hence, the Constituional Court (that is elected by the parliament) has ruled out that any referendum about independence is illegal. At this point, the government says that both them and the judiciary powers are just defending the democratic rules, and Catalonia's government is the one at fault for all this hassle. The problem is that it i…

Governments usually do not like to give up the money making portions of their countries and neither does the population of the rest of the country. You never see a poor part of a country seceding (well, other than Quebec maybe).

I don't imagine the Basques are a big money maker for Spain, and they've wanted to secede forever.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by TheMagicHorsey »

amelius wrote: post #112

As an outsider, it's strange that nobody here seems to question whether the referendum really makes sense. Forgetting about Catalonia for a moment, isn't it fundamentally amoral that a part of the country where prosperity has (by mere chance) concentrated suddenly wants to split off? Isn't this taking wealth-inequality to the next level? Of course the people in a prosperous part of the country want to split off. Abso…

"by mere chance"

Is that your opinion, or do the Catalonians and people outside Spain agree?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by sampo »

QAPereo wrote: post #91
int_19h wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The South expected massive cotton revenues to prop its economy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Cotton

To be fair however, it was known how the war would proceed before the outset! In the words of General Sherman: You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, t…

> the wealthy landowners were facing the extinction of their wealth... so they started a war

As someone who doesn't know much about American history: What happened to the wealth of those Southern landowners after the war? Did they get to keep it?

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by faragon »

zakk wrote: post #83
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

150 years after the US civil war, the confederate flag is still flying around. I wouldn't be to hasty to call it eventual.

If you are comparing the two, you have never visited Catalunya. The flag is everywhere, also they speak a different language.

That's not correct. In mother tongue terms, 55% of population in Catalonia has the Spanish as his tongue (mother/habitual tongue), and 35% Catalan. The "economic power" is in hands of Catalan-"ethnic" people, though. Source (official): https://www.idescat.cat/pub/?id=ed&lang=en

"The first casualty when war comes is truth".

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by elecbit »

pipio21 wrote: post #99
mabbo wrote: post #61

I just left Barcelona a couple hours ago, the capital of Catalonia. Everywhere you look, Catalan flags, signs demanding 'democracia', demanding freedom. I'm told this is just normal for the region, but if this is normal then independence is eventual.

Well, it is normal since independentists have controlled Catalunya since 40 years ago. It used to be that 20% of the population was independentist through, now is over 50%. For example, they choosed school principals among independentist so now over 85% of them are Catalan language teachers that tend to be independentist. This way kids could be directed to be independentist too. The same happened with the local media…

A Catalan here. Quite a bad description, I think. We should remember that Catalonia had its own language forbidden to even speak in the street for 40 years during Franco's dictatorship. Language and culture was kept alive thanks of people keeping it in secrecy.

When "democracy" returned, some of the competences they had before the war were returned to the government.

After 6 years of demonstrations of 2-3 million (out of 7million) asking to hold a referendum and receiving NO to any request, it was announced and proposed one year ago in order to agree it with Spanish government, but they would not even discuss it. In the end the unilateral way is the only way to hold this referendum.

Why shouldn't it be allowed to ask people's preferences? Isn't it democracy? People who doesn't want independence can say NO. Laws should serve people's desires, not forbid participation and opinion.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by Asdfbla »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #100
themihai wrote: post #85

What if ipfs.io goes down? The DNS has always been the bottleneck.

Spray paint 8.8.8.8 on buildings.

Government could probably just block any DNS requests that want to resolve the ipfs.io domain. Though Spain probably does not have the censorship infrastructure deployed for that the way a country like China has.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by dna_polymerase »

timthelion wrote: post #64
clarry wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they also adopt Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc.? But I would give a thumbs up for Gopher support.

I would hope they adopt Tor at some point. That would be awesome. Why shouldn't they?

Why should they? Tor is managed by the Tor Project. It is bundled & shipped as TBB already, using Firefox. You already can use it if you want to, so why would they bother with implementing Tor in the mainstream version of Firefox? They could only offer it as option (because not everyone wants to use Tor all the time) and this option is already satisfied.

Re: How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's legal block

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Post by mrighele »

justin66 wrote: post #113
jacquesm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments usually do not like to give up the money making portions of their countries and neither does the population of the rest of the country. You never see a poor part of a country seceding (well, other than Quebec maybe).

I don't imagine the Basques are a big money maker for Spain, and they've wanted to secede forever.

If I remember right, they are one of the richest regions (second only after Madrid) and they contribute to about 20% of the GDP.
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