IBM Now Has More Employees in India Than in the U.S

Post by flarg » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 4:30 PM UTC

pavanky wrote: post #65

timthelion wrote: post #5

I think that this is a good example of how racism, conscious and unconscious is making us worse at predicting the future. Ten years ago, so many Americans were making jokes about poor quality Indian code and Indian accents. The idea of Indians actually working innovative jobs seemed laughable to many Americans. But there wasn't actually strong evidence that Indians were less good at doing cutting edge research. This…

> Ten years ago, so many Americans were making jokes about poor quality Indian code and Indian accents. If you thin this is 10 years ago, you should watch some threads here and on /r/programming about people on H1b visas.

Post by notyourwork » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 4:30 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #64

github-cat wrote: post #53

This is not good for IBM indeed. As lots of people know that IBM gets 21 consecutive revenue decline and it's forced to cut down cost. But cutting down cost doesn't mean you should shift your development work to under qualified developers or programmers. This will further affect IBM's software quality and hurt its revenue. Why not putting the money hiring less but good developers. If you are a developer, you would fi…

I am just curious.. I havent purchased a single IBM roduct for maybe more than a decade (professionally and personally) -- the last major professional purchase was an AS/400 upgrade... 1998? I have never bought an IBM-->lenovo laptop, although I have been provisioned some in various jobs... What other main product(s) does IBM have that I would want? they have great eng resources, scientists, etc... but I just dont se…

Post by samstave » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 4:32 PM UTC

NKosmatos wrote: post #13

I guess the I in IBM, now stands for Indian. [It's a joke, don't take this seriously :-)]

Post by flachsechs » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 4:33 PM UTC

logfromblammo wrote: post #54

tryingagainbro wrote: post #30

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Racism isn't based on facts. BUT, Indians and [insert third world country citizens] do great--in a country like USA. Question: Now IBM charges probably $300/hour per programmer. Even if it is $100 and I understand that not every hour is billed, but why isn't IBM making way more money given Indian wages?

Every Indian I have worked with in the US has been reasonably competent or better. Every Indian I have worked with remotely from India has been worse than useless. This suggests the hypothesis that the problem is with the work culture, rather than intrinsic to the workers. And that suggests that IBM is not making more money because IBM's work culture has not adapted well to changes in the global economy. It may be th…

Post by saimiam » Fri, Sep 29, 2017, 4:38 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #61

davesque wrote: post #55

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The reason people are comparing US and Indian employees is because the doubling of IBM's India workforce since 2007 seems to be, in many ways, a result of labor arbitrage, as the linked article is arguing. You can slice things any way you want, but the fact is that this is a problem for the average American worker. In other words, it's something that readers of the NYT would care about.

I am beginning to think that out-sourcing ones-self is a better and better idea...