How is this going to fly with the various European data privacy laws? The European Union has previously objected strongly, and even hinted at punitive counter actions, to similar data gathering initiatives by the US Government.
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#172For any Americans thinking 'well, at least this doesn't affect me as a natural born citizen', you should be aware that one of the most common principles applied to visa and passport control activity by countries is 'reciprocity'. That is, countries look at how the US treats their citizens at the American port of entry, and turn around and apply that same standard to Americans. So the next time you turn up at the Cana…
Funny how 'reciprocity' doesn't seem to apply to taxes or extradition..
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Taxes; Even in the EU, forms will ask about American tax status, because an American citizen living abroad must still file taxes. I must provide this information, despite never having been an American Citizen.
Extradition; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK%E2%80%93US_extradition_trea...
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
"you can't ban people entry for that." Who said so? Border controls have right to turn non-citizens away on border if they suspect you are lying or not disclosing all information to them.
It'll happen on a small scale while this is working itself out, certainly, but it is hard to imagine a true defacto or dejure uniform ban on people without social media accounts. The right gets upset over insurance requirements, hard to imagine a real requirement to have a Twitter account.
Actually the right gets upset rather about censorship and death threats currently, but you might not have seen it in the newspapers (that's what censorship means). I discovered it when James Damore was accused of hate speech and explicitly menaced, and the same happened last week when UC Berkeley launched police investigations for "hate speech" into every student who helped the Free Speech Week on the campus. So, no, people who are supposed to defend your freedom aren't even in a position of weighing for basic rights currently, especially if it's related to Twitter.
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#174As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…
Australia is nice this time of year. Why not send a conference or two down under? Smart, well educated individuals, all motivated by the perpetual drive for international relevance and the existential dread of possibly being taken by the wildlife at any moment.
Honest answer? It's very far for pretty much everybody not in AUS/NZ
12h if you're in the West Coast, a shorter trip if you're in Japan and that's "the closest" most people will be
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
"any of them that can get away with doing this will do it" I'd hope some or even many countries would opt out of these restrictions as an incentive to tourism and business.
This story is specific to "immigrants", not tourists.
Tourists are already treated like they're trying to be immigrants. Ask your Mexican friends that got denied entry trying to visit Disneyland because the border agent was in a bad mood.
Reading your other comments in this submission, it doesn't sound like you know many non-Americans who have experience with the US border.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.
> Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? Ask a person in Argentina, Chile, Spain, and lots of other places besides. > I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? Because their social media lives are not its business -- citizens or not.
If someone is communicating with known terrorist organizations or plotting a crime on social media, how is that not the governments business?
I'm not saying they should have unfettered access to everything (far from it!), but gathering and analyzing this type of information is the very definition of their business.
The real question is what levels of information gathering are going to allow without a warrant, and who do those laws apply to?
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#177As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…
This is scary and keeps getting worse. As a citizen, I'm even worried about traveling and coming back. Do I want my phone confiscated because a friend from high school tagged me in a political post a random border patrol agent disagrees with? or worse?
Remember, they have not stopped any terrorist attacks in the US with all the new surveillance since 9/11 (to my knowledge).
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
The majority of people in the US disagree with everything going on right now and we welcome everyone. We will right the ship in the next 2-3 years.
Honestly, as an American, I wouldn't be so hopeful. People were 100% sure things would turn out differently just a year ago, and anyone who said differently was openly mocked for being delusional. Things are going to get far worse before they get better. Even then, just thinking a different president will fix anything is part of the problem.
A toxic culture starts from the top. DJT's seeming enjoyment of the driving of division between parties (and even within his own) is part of the problem. He is not the only problem and removing him isn't a cure but a hopeful/forward looking leader (from either party) doing everything he/she can to positive push the people together would be better for the country.
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#179>“social media handles, aliases, associated identifiable information and search results,”
_How_ are they going to collect that, particularly search results?
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#180As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…
The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.
if i understand correctly, your solution is to erase your public social media footprint
wouldn't that be a form of free speech suppression?