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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by russdill »

knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

This recent reveal of warrants makes it even more chilling http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/353043-trum...

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Post by js8 »

neilalexander wrote: post #121

As controversial as it may be, is it really that surprising to anyone that governments want this sort of information on tap about anyone, not just immigrants? We need to stop expecting social media platforms to respect our privacy. They don't. They won't. What you post on Facebook and Twitter is as good as public domain. You really shouldn't be surprised to find something that you had posted in either a government fi…

I downvoted you. Social media are a new category. It's not like writing to the newspapers, yet it's not like telling somebody in private.

And society will still have to figure out where to draw the line. Is searching your social media a search? I mean, I think by U.S. laws, searching a large hall which only purpose is to meet with other people, even large number and by invitation, still requires a warrant.

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Post by therec »

watty wrote: post #128
knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Do you really think that they will simply look at your public Facebook page? Tell me if I’m wrong but I think they can already do that without changing the law.

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Post by philk10 »

knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Same - resident alien going for citizenship next year. Active on Twitter and FB with plenty of political posts. Really looking forward to sending in my application next year....

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Post by iagooar »

watty wrote: post #128
knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Give us all your passwords please. You have nothing to hide anyway.

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Post by matt4077 »

neilalexander wrote: post #123
matt4077 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media accounts aren't "public history". They're probably the single most private sphere for many people. If you got to read all my private messages on Facebook, you'd know me better than my parent and my girlfriends together. And a "background check" isn't a "background check". It's a completely vague concept, from some prospective employer calling one or two references all the way to the 8-months process of o…

This is the biggest mistake that people make. Social media is NOT a private sphere. There's nothing remotely private about posting things to a public service on the Internet over which you have no control. We need to stop treating them as such.

I also don't control the phone company, the post office, or my friends' email providers. Am I supposed to never communicate with them unless it's face-to-face?

I'm not talking nuclear launch codes here. It's impossible to lead a normal life without using communication services, and it's some sort of fantasy to think you could, for example, organize your social life without leaving enough clues to create a pretty accurate profile.

So I think what we need to stop doing is pretending it's realistic for everyone to run around cosplaying MI6.

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Post by burkaman »

criddell wrote: post #133
watty wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

Not a fan of the fourth amendment?

Googling someone is not an unreasonable search or seizure.

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Post by ryanb23 »

watty wrote: post #128
knz wrote: post #122

As a permanent resident with a pending citizenship application (who came on the visa mentioned at the end of this article), I find this incredibly alarming. I have nothing to hide, despise terrorism and the fanatics that commit it, and wish no harm on others with different social, political, or religious views. But I'm familiar enough with history to know how badly this can end. "Papers please" had consequences, espe…

Maybe I'm being contrarian but how is this a big deal? I'd expect the government to be collecting all public information for its citizens and those visiting the country - why not? This isn't private info, it's publicly posted social media information, which is VERY easy to set to private if you wish. If they were collecting private info or browsing data, sure.

I would absolutely assume that they will look to collect browsing data.

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Post by timthelion »

hmhrex wrote: post #113
arvinsim wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't watch the movie. I read halfway through the book when the movie came out. I excitedly watched it in film form. But I only ended up disappointed. It turned me off not just from the film but from the book itself.

Didn't realize there was a book. I'll remember to steer clear. The book was fantastic. I remember after reading that it felt a little far-fetched, but enjoyable. That was over a year ago, and I'm finding it to be more and more accurate.

You mean that you didn't realize there was a film don't you...

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Post by ibejoeb »

znpy wrote: post #39

What if I am only transiting the country ?

I suspect that if you are not a citizen of one of the countries in the Visa Waiver Program then you will need a C-1 transit visa, so you'd likely need to provide the information the same as if you were visiting/working/studying/etc.

Visa Waver Program: https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/visit/visa-waiver-...

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