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U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Re: U.S. To Collect Social Media Data on All Immigrants Entering Country

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Post by brentm »

vidarh wrote: post #80
verytrivial wrote: post #31

My tentative, loosely held decision to not enter the US for any reason has become surprisingly easier to justify as time goes on.

Yes, I used to visit a lot for business, and would love to go back on holiday too, but at this rate I'm not sure I want to. So far it's mostly been that I don't really have a compelling reason to visit, and it's just been tipping the scales in favor of other vacation locations etc., but the more stuff like this, the less attractive it gets. It doesn't even need to affect me directly - it just contributes to an overal…

The majority of people in the US disagree with everything going on right now and we welcome everyone. We will right the ship in the next 2-3 years.

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Post by maxerickson »

What information does the government keep in the "immigration files" of naturalized citizens?

There's a little bit of documentation that makes sense to me, something from the country of origin and a distillation of the naturalization paperwork that confirmed it was completed. But I don't see what information beyond that would be worth keeping.

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Post by pdimitar »

thinkMOAR wrote: post #56
musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

At this point in time i still wonder why people physically move from one part of the world to another to hear somebody speak. What is wrong with live streaming? (and record, download and re-play)

I would guess mostly because of "networking" -- the fancy word for meeting people, chatting up about common interests (which is very likely the case since you're both at the same conference), and maybe making potential business contacts for the future.

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Post by fiblye »

amelius wrote: post #47
SerLava wrote: post #7

Something to realize here: If you're between 10 and 60 years old, "I don't use social media" will likely not really be an answer at the border. Even a barely-used account will not really be an answer. They're going to be able to say you're probably just hiding your real account. That could factor into denying you entry into a country. If this becomes common with many countries, it could become de facto illegal to kee…

I predict there will be services that make a shadow account for you. (They probably already exist).

And as soon as such a service becomes available and known to the average person, it'll be shut down or else.

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Post by wybiral »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #67
misiti3780 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.

"any of them that can get away with doing this will do it" I'd hope some or even many countries would opt out of these restrictions as an incentive to tourism and business.

This story is specific to "immigrants", not tourists.

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Post by misiti3780 »

dullgiulio wrote: post #58
misiti3780 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.

By this logic, when this administration starts discriminating people who are into programming ("they cause cyber terrorism," might be the excuse) we shall all "get the fuck off programming"?

i follow your logic but respectively disagree - there are so many good reasons delete your facebook account at this point - and lets face it, when they say "social media" they mean facebook

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Post by vidarh »

brentm wrote: post #91
vidarh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I used to visit a lot for business, and would love to go back on holiday too, but at this rate I'm not sure I want to. So far it's mostly been that I don't really have a compelling reason to visit, and it's just been tipping the scales in favor of other vacation locations etc., but the more stuff like this, the less attractive it gets. It doesn't even need to affect me directly - it just contributes to an overal…

The majority of people in the US disagree with everything going on right now and we welcome everyone. We will right the ship in the next 2-3 years.

I hope so. I've never had anything but great experiences when visiting the US in the past, so I it'd be a shame to keep away over something like this.

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Post by wmil »

conanbatt wrote: post #63
justaman wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If its not mandatory then whats the problem?

"The U.S. government will ask all citizens on re-entry their last IRS tax filings. Optional. "

Well border guards can't turn away a US citizen, so it really would be optional.

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Post by moomin »

musha68k wrote: post #9

As much as I’ve always loved to come to the US and as fascinating as some US conferences are (e.g. StrangeLoop might be my personal fav) – no international attendee or speaker can be expected to put up with this ever expanding amount of bullshit anymore. If the science community or “our industry” really want to encourage and unlock the magic of diversity we need new venues for a whole lot of conferences either in Can…

It really is about time some international conferences, and StrangeLoop is a good example, just upped sticks and moved north of the border.

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Post by timthelion »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #67
misiti3780 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law is obviously offensively bad, and I do not support (dual citizen to the US), but I think the bigger problem here is any country can do this now -- and any of them that can get away with doing this will do it. The real solution is get the fuck off facebook.

"any of them that can get away with doing this will do it" I'd hope some or even many countries would opt out of these restrictions as an incentive to tourism and business.

The intelligentsia of the east has always run west away from totalitarian regimes and these regimes have stood the test of time. All of central Asia has been controlled by totalitarian regimes since before democracy was invented. If the US becomes totalitarian, then where will the intelligentsia go? Is there going to be an ever shrinking realm of freedom? Perhaps north west Europe will be the last refuge? Hardly seems to be an appealing thought.
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