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Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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> Empirical studies have shown that older people are better than younger ones in terms of control over emotion

Is this a puritan/evangelical thing? What's wrong with displaying emotions? Why is the ability to control them seen as "better"?

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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post #11

> Empirical studies have shown that older people are better than younger ones in terms of control over emotion Is this a puritan/evangelical thing? What's wrong with displaying emotions? Why is the ability to control them seen as "better"?

Of course it's seen as better. Do you lose your temper and get angry after every setback or inconvenience?

This is so self-evident I'm surprised it's even discussed.

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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> Empirical studies have shown that older people are better than younger ones in terms of control over emotion, knowing themselves better, making better decisions that require experience, and having more compassion and empathy towards others. These are the things I include in wisdom. So are things that are components of wisdom that can increase with aging. How does this explain Brexit? https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfro…

I have no investment in the outcome of Brexit but I have to say that speaking as if it was objectively worse is dismissive of the section of population who showed up and voted in favour of it.

They deserve what they voted for. Have almost no direct stake in this, I'm just tired of this mantra of "showing respect for what people chose". It's not wrong telling someone that they made a bad decision, no matter if you offend said person by doing so. I personally wish my friends would be the same towards me, i.e. tell me whenever they think I made bad decisions.

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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> Empirical studies have shown that older people are better than younger ones in terms of control over emotion Is this a puritan/evangelical thing? What's wrong with displaying emotions? Why is the ability to control them seen as "better"?

Of course it's seen as better. Do you lose your temper and get angry after every setback or inconvenience? This is so self-evident I'm surprised it's even discussed.

Does "emotion" only equal "angry" and "having a temper"? Is this also a puritan/evangelical thing? What about displays of love and tenderness?

And even so, the answer to your question is most of the times "yes", at least in my case, as in I do prefer to spill it out in the heat of the moment instead of keeping it all inside.

It's not wrong having "emotions" and displaying them, I though that this was established since back in the Romantics' day (with only a resurgence of "showing emotions is bad" in the Victorian era).

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's seen as better. Do you lose your temper and get angry after every setback or inconvenience? This is so self-evident I'm surprised it's even discussed.

Does "emotion" only equal "angry" and "having a temper"? Is this also a puritan/evangelical thing? What about displays of love and tenderness? And even so, the answer to your question is most of the times "yes", at least in my case, as in I do prefer to spill it out in the heat of the moment instead of keeping it all inside. It's not wrong having "emotions" and displaying them, I though that this was established sinc…

The point wasn't about showing emotions, it was about controlling emotions so that you have conscious choice over whether to show them or not.

For instance, in certain circumstances anger may be appropriate to be shown, but in other cases if you show anger it could work against you. Similarly with humour or any other emotion.

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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> Empirical studies have shown that older people are better than younger ones in terms of control over emotion, knowing themselves better, making better decisions that require experience, and having more compassion and empathy towards others. These are the things I include in wisdom. So are things that are components of wisdom that can increase with aging. How does this explain Brexit? https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfro…

I am curious too, the brexit vote for many people was an emotional one. It was certainly not based in any logic that anyone can cite. That sample is too large to be anecdatum. However to play devils advocate; leave voters were drip fed anti-EU propaganda for decades with nobody on the EU side defending it, and the run up to the referendum there was a lot of lying. So the fault may be that people were more susceptible…

Just because someone examines the same facts as you and comes to a different conclusion, it doesn't mean their choice wasn't based on facts.

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no investment in the outcome of Brexit but I have to say that speaking as if it was objectively worse is dismissive of the section of population who showed up and voted in favour of it.

They deserve what they voted for. Have almost no direct stake in this, I'm just tired of this mantra of "showing respect for what people chose". It's not wrong telling someone that they made a bad decision, no matter if you offend said person by doing so. I personally wish my friends would be the same towards me, i.e. tell me whenever they think I made bad decisions.

I did use the phrase "objectively worse". I see no substantiation for that yet. Also, this depends a lot on what they were looking for when they voted. I can easily say one of these: I do/don't like the outcome. However, I find it difficult to say: "they collectively chose incorrectly".

I do, however, agree that in general a population deserves whatever it is that they voted for.

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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"But I do feel that I have become wiser over the years. Or I have become less unwise over the years, however you want to put it" - love this.

Also, this article does seem to point out that it's ok if by 25 yrs of age you're not a self-made billionaire

Re: Yes, We Get Wiser with Age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "emotion" only equal "angry" and "having a temper"? Is this also a puritan/evangelical thing? What about displays of love and tenderness? And even so, the answer to your question is most of the times "yes", at least in my case, as in I do prefer to spill it out in the heat of the moment instead of keeping it all inside. It's not wrong having "emotions" and displaying them, I though that this was established sinc…

The point wasn't about showing emotions, it was about controlling emotions so that you have conscious choice over whether to show them or not. For instance, in certain circumstances anger may be appropriate to be shown, but in other cases if you show anger it could work against you. Similarly with humour or any other emotion.

You can relate this with Young Brash Jobs vs Old Mature Jobs who made better choices!
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