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Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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https://www.essential.com/ I'm sick of articles about products with no links to the official product site.

I haven't decided if "journalists" haven't embraced the fact that they're on the web yet or if they're trying not to link off site for SEO juice or just to keep people on their site.

If its for SEO they could just use rel="nofollow"

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Palm got upended because their product was not actually that great. It solved a need, for sure, but the core quality was not there. What is iPhone bad at? Where's the entry point for a disruptor?

> What is iPhone bad at? ecosystem lock-in, not allowing un-vetted apps to run, walled-garden approach to everything. based on comments i see here, some people are mad enough about this to avoid iPhones altogether. that's where i'd start, if i were trying to launch a smartphone platform today.

You listed the exact same thing 3 times. And yeah, some people care about this, but most users don't. A new entrant to the market that uses this as the defining distinguishing feature isn't going to succeed.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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No, basically nobody had expensive luxury electric cars before Tesla. This is more what Faraday Future was trying to do - be late to the game and copy, maybe change a few details to try to marginally improve it. What Tesla did is more like what Apple did - massively expand the "smart phone" segment in the first place. If you compare the Essential phone to a V30, S8, or Pixel, there's nothing anything near the differe…

"No, basically nobody had expensive luxury electric cars before Tesla." But high end luxury cars were a thing. Tesla wasn't competing with just electric cars, they were competing with all cars.

Not initially, no. The all electric drive-train and buying into the future was always the key hook for early adopters. I think a large part of early demand was not because it was the best car for the money, but because it was special, unique, and you believed in Tesla the company and wanted it to succeed.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Value. Early adopters recognize and act on it. This is how OnePlus succeeded with its first phone. No bloatware, great specs, fair price. Essential is about $250 too expensive. It would have been enough if they had released a cheaper phone with the same specs, branding anonymity, and durability - less the attachments. Value. Value. Value. This concept is key.

The attachment system would be a huge selling point if it gave it the ability to do significant improvements or upgrades to the unit. But so far it appears to be a novelty thing. If they released several addons at launch to show the versatility of the system, then they'd capture the market that wants modular phones. But they didn't.

The specs are nothing spectacular. It's not as great, stats-wise, as my Oneplus 3T, though a titanium body is a better selling point than an aluminium one.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Who would buy this thing? The phone doesn't look to be anything special, the name makes it sound low-end, there's zero brand recognition. The magnetic wireless accessory thing is irrelevant to vast majority of consumers, especially since Bluetooth has already solved that problem and works with any device. I can't imagine a scenario where someone is looking to buy a phone in the ~$700 range and chooses this.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same bluetooth here. I have yet to see a bluetooth device that just works (I am a non apple user, so I can't speak for IOS devices). The worst example are my wireless headphones. When I get into the car the car radio tries to connect to my phone, so it stops the wireless headphone output. I then have to scroll through the menu and disconnect the car radio, which tries to reconnec…

My bluetooth is pretty flawless with my $18 in ear bluetooth Gonovate G10. Best $18 I ever spent on a device that lets me get away with listening to podcast and people don't notice. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MAWZ5XE/ref=twister_B072Q9K4YZ?...

They are paired with my linux laptop, phone, and desktop computer. Only issue is my car will still try to takeover media on my phone and my car is for phone calls only with bluetooth.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Keep in mind Apple was in the same position before the iPhone. Remember what palm said about apple becoming a player in the mobile space? "PC guys are not just going to walk in here and.." And yet they did. How about the phone just sucks? And essential just really has no idea what people want?

Palm got upended because their product was not actually that great. It solved a need, for sure, but the core quality was not there. What is iPhone bad at? Where's the entry point for a disruptor?

It is behind in terms of what's possible. It just added wireless charging for example.

The iPhone X may be their solution to that: charge a super premium price to essentially leapfrog to the next generation and thereby keep the volumes low so they can do things that don't yet scale.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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I'm not sure we are talking about the same bluetooth here. I have yet to see a bluetooth device that just works (I am a non apple user, so I can't speak for IOS devices). The worst example are my wireless headphones. When I get into the car the car radio tries to connect to my phone, so it stops the wireless headphone output. I then have to scroll through the menu and disconnect the car radio, which tries to reconnec…

You shouldn't be driving and wearing wireless headphones

How is that less safe then playing the car's stereo? I have one in my ear at a reasonable volume when driving with others so they don't have to listen to my Geeky podcast or music.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Who would buy this thing? The phone doesn't look to be anything special, the name makes it sound low-end, there's zero brand recognition. The magnetic wireless accessory thing is irrelevant to vast majority of consumers, especially since Bluetooth has already solved that problem and works with any device. I can't imagine a scenario where someone is looking to buy a phone in the ~$700 range and chooses this.

> there's zero brand recognition Really? I was going to take the opposite perspective and say celebrity and name recognition goes a long way, irrespective of actual success... I always hear the "Essential" brand name brought up now whenever Apple, Samsung, etc are mentioned. Even in the non-tech news sites. Which is funny to consider given their sales count.

As someone who frequents many tech sites I can't remember hearing the name "Essential" in relation to phones before today. I don't know what sites you frequent, but they're apparently different than Hacker News, Ars, or even Slashdot.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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https://www.essential.com/ I'm sick of articles about products with no links to the official product site.

I thought their site was broken. It was just a big black box. I had to scroll down about 50 screens to see stuff, and parts of it were scrolling faster than others and it was just a big mess. Even if I were interested in the product the website is a complete turnoff.

Re: Essential has sold just 5,000 phones since launch

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Palm got upended because their product was not actually that great. It solved a need, for sure, but the core quality was not there. What is iPhone bad at? Where's the entry point for a disruptor?

> What is iPhone bad at? ecosystem lock-in, not allowing un-vetted apps to run, walled-garden approach to everything. based on comments i see here, some people are mad enough about this to avoid iPhones altogether. that's where i'd start, if i were trying to launch a smartphone platform today.

I consider those to be minor advantages - I want my phone to be as close to an appliance as it can be - those things help it be closer to an appliance.
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