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Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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hey that's not fair... it's a pyramid scheme, not a ponzi

It's neither of these things.

Most of its value is speculative and if you buy you have to hope there's a bigger sucker somewhere in the future in order to get your payout, that's not exactly Ponzi-shaped, but I can definitely see why people might consider it a decentralized form of the pattern.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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post #49

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I don't think you need the "...", usually that indicates a mysterious step will never actually materialize. But the Profit cycle is fully complete here.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/profit?full=1

Comment is still valid. There is no mysterious step here.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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post #50

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hey that's not fair... it's a pyramid scheme, not a ponzi

It's neither of these things.

If you think 90%+ of its current value isn't driven by behaviorial psychology rather than fundamentals, you either haven't been paying attention or don't understand markets.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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> "The concept of anonymous currency is a very interesting concept -- interesting for the privacy protections it gives people, interesting because what it says to the central banking system about controlling that." I don't think he means bitcoin in particular, it could be any crypto currency. Bitcoin is still a ponzi scheme in bubble phase.

hey that's not fair... it's a pyramid scheme, not a ponzi

By the very definition of a pyramid scheme, it can't be one.

Who's behind the sceme? And if you say Satoshi, you should think about what stocks are.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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Nope. Bitcoin's network is not scaling well.

What on earth does that mean

One example is that BTC's transactions costs are getting more expensive as time goes on. They were supposed to start going down after the most recent hard fork, but I don't know if has been the case.

Another example is that the electricity cost to run the system is going up at an unsustainable pace. Eventually they'll have to switch to an new way to propagate the blockchain something other than Proof of Work mining.

Most likely though, these problems will be solved with some kind of hard fork rather than BTC dying.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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The point of crypto is making these figures irrelevant.

...and replacing them with cryptocurrency CEOs and HN and Reddit commenters whose economic experience is limited to googling the word “fiat” and talking points on free markets? Is that what you mean? Occasionally people are listened to because they have something to offer, like, say, running one of the world’s largest investment banks. His remarks immediately made Bloomberg, CNBC, and so on, which is just free PR. Fr…

Shh, half the fun of cryptocurrency threads is watching its proponents re-learn every single harsh lesson banking and financial industries have learned over the past couple hundred years! It turns out a lot of regulations and whatnot involved with Fiat™ don't just exist for arbitrary reasons.

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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Beyond all this noise that is patticularly annoying in this space, I really like articles trying, at least, to provide more fundamental analysis. Last week Chris Burniske provided an article about cryptoasset valuation: https://medium.com/@cburniske/cryptoasset-valuations-ac83479...

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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The entire profit motive from Bitcoin "investing" comes from selling it to another human for more than you bought it for. They're digital Beanie Babies. Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money. Or a business can earn profit and distribute it to its shareholders. You can try to buy and sell houses like people did during the RE bubble for profit, or try to…

> Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money. You can buy goods and services with Bitcoin. It's just another currency. Do people claim that forex is not investing?

Forex trading is certainly more speculation (or hedging) than investment

Re: Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says

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The entire profit motive from Bitcoin "investing" comes from selling it to another human for more than you bought it for. They're digital Beanie Babies. Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money. Or a business can earn profit and distribute it to its shareholders. You can try to buy and sell houses like people did during the RE bubble for profit, or try to…

> Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money. You can buy goods and services with Bitcoin. It's just another currency. Do people claim that forex is not investing?

> Do people claim that forex is not investing?

Yes, all the time. It's clearly speculation (in the technical sense)

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