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Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#1
So in the shadier parts of the SEO world there's this concept called "spinning" where one takes a single article and programatically creates hundreds of small variations of it, largely by substituting words and phrases with synonymous terms. This is meant to work around Google's duplicate content detection algorithm). It isn't hard for a person to notice the similarities between the documents, but it is subtle enough (or computationally difficult enough) that search engines seem to be fooled.

I think that one of my competitors has taken some article content from my site, "spun" it (possibly by hand) and reposted it on one of those post-your-content-with-backlinks sites you sometimes find in search results. (Except they posted it with backlinks to their site, of course.)

If this was a direct, verbatim copy I'd contact the hosting site to notify them of the copyright violation.

But that's not what this is, it's more like a section by section, sentence by sentence paraphrasing of my content, with some other slight modifications (which is why I think it may have been done by hand, but I'm not familiar enough with spinning to know what's normal and what's not). I'm pretty sure that my content was the source document for this, since there are some unusual phrases that carried over to the new document, and the structure of many of the sections, paragraphs and sentences of the new document are identical to some on my site.

Both the site on which this content was posted and the site to which it is linking are legitimate business that I assume would respond to something like a DMCA take-down notice.

I'm well aware of the degree, nature and much of the mechanics of plagiarism on the web, and while I'm annoyed (possibly flattered) that it seems a competitor more or less plagiarized content from my site, but my bigger concern is this is the tip of the iceberg and I'm about to see dozens of close copies of my content floating around the web.

Is there anything I can or should do about this?

Re: Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#2
A derived work is just as much protected by copyright as the original is. If you translate a book, you cannot distribute that translation without the original author's consent. So the circumstance that they didn't republish your article verbatim, but in a modified way, is of little relevance. So you can do the same things you would if it was a verbatim copy.

Re: Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#6
All the people saying it is copyright violation are probably right.

But, I don't think it's worth the effort and money (perhaps you will have to get a lawyer...). If at all, just contact the site where they posted it and report the copyright violation. Describe what you think what happened and wait what (and if) they answer. Most of the time, they won't bother and just remove the text.

Much better use of your time is to write another, even better text for your website.

Re: Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#7
I don't know about copyright laws and I am not saying copyright is unimportant but from your post, I don't think your site got hurt in anyway. Aside from giving your competitors' a free lunch, why do you care? Especially if your site is the first one when people search for the title or keywords of your article. If you are still #1 on google search and did not have a drop in the # of visits, you might as well thank the competitors. Otherwise, I agree it's unfair.

Re: Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#8
I think there may be some confusion here. If the person truly and skillfully paraphrased your writing, to the point that there are no duplicate sentences between the two documents, it would be hard to argue that it is a derivative work. They have effectively created an entirely new document espousing all of the same ideas as yours, and on which you would not have any copyright claims.

Re: Ask HN: I may have been spun. Is there anything I can do about it?

#9
post #5

spin your content and use it for links first.

Please don't. Same content from multiple domain names pointing back to the original is against Google ToS, and you might lose your PageRank unless you're Jason Calacanis in which case it's fine.
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