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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by dtegart »

lionhearted wrote: post #58
Locke1689 wrote: post #48

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According to their bios ( http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ ), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure...

> So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure... Actually, that is significant. I studied undergraduate business and I can tell right away the difference between an MBA-run business and non-MBA-run type business. People with MBA's have a broad base of case studies, so they know how to handle some eccentric but important situations pretty well, but they tend to like formal…

I am not sure how many of the upper management have MBA's, but they do hire an awful lot into middle management. It is regularly at the top of the list for places new MBA's would like to work at.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by nollidge »

jrockway wrote: post #88
notauser wrote: post #87

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The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described. Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that: - All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon. - Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service w…

Why are high-usage users "low profit"? They charge you money for every megabyte of data you use and every minute you are on the phone.

Don't most people just have an unlimited data plan?

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by cosmicray »

chwahoo wrote: post #6

It does seem that concessions were made. For example, the Facetime app is currently wifi-only. Also, I believe movie rental is wifi-only. Those are understandable restrictions for now, but this article rings a bit hollow in light of them -- It would seem that AT&T won a few of those battles.

> It would seem that AT&T won a few of those battles.

If AT&T won the battles, it may have been more due to lack of suitable infrastructure, than to telling Apple not to implement something.

I live where AT&T has no 3G (only EDGE). The microwave backhaul link speeds are documented in the FCC database (service type CM). Where I see Alltel (now Verizon) having a link speed of 133Mbps, a similar nearby AT&T link is in the 27-40 Mbps range. Obviously AT&T doesn't have a use for the higher backhaul rate, because they have not upgraded to 3G yet.

Does anyone have decent bandwidth utilization numbers for Facetime ?

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by jrockway »

nollidge wrote: post #92
jrockway wrote: post #88

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Why are high-usage users "low profit"? They charge you money for every megabyte of data you use and every minute you are on the phone.

Don't most people just have an unlimited data plan?

AT&T does not offer an unlimited data plan anymore.

On Sprint and T-Mobile, yeah, we have unlimited data plans.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by w1ntermute »

jrockway wrote: post #94
nollidge wrote: post #92

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Don't most people just have an unlimited data plan?

AT&T does not offer an unlimited data plan anymore. On Sprint and T-Mobile, yeah, we have unlimited data plans.

AT&T doesn't offer an unlimited plan anymore, but all the existing users are grandfathered in. They get to keep their unlimited plan as long as they continue to renew it. Most of the people who want an iPhone on AT&T have already got one, so it's not like there are many people left to join and start using a ton of bandwidth.

If Verizon were to offer the iPhone, a lot of the AT&T users with unlimited plans who are using a ton of bandwidth would jump to Verizon, and, if they were to try to return to AT&T, wouldn't be able to obtain an unlimited plan.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by grinich »

jrockway wrote: post #94
nollidge wrote: post #92

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Don't most people just have an unlimited data plan?

AT&T does not offer an unlimited data plan anymore. On Sprint and T-Mobile, yeah, we have unlimited data plans.

Previous unlimited plans have been grandfathered in, so it's probably safe to say that most iPhone users have unlimited data plans.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by notauser »

jrockway wrote: post #88
notauser wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described. Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that: - All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon. - Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service w…

Why are high-usage users "low profit"? They charge you money for every megabyte of data you use and every minute you are on the phone.

Even for the 2gb data plan they will be expecting a certain level of breakage (use under 2gb, which is charged but never used).

The same is true of minute bundles. Users which go a lot over (and pay per minute) are fine, users which are a lot under (and still pay for the bundle) are fine. Users who are averaging use of 80-120% will probably be costing the provider more than they pay.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by [deleted] »

jarek wrote: post #86
adamhowell wrote: post #82

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Blindly working heads down in an industry you know nothing about because you don't stay up-to-date isn't a good use of your time, either.

Of course it isn't, but there are many ways to stay up to date more time-efficient than HN and DF if you care primarily about the time expenditure.

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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by hboon »

jarek wrote: post #86
adamhowell wrote: post #82

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Blindly working heads down in an industry you know nothing about because you don't stay up-to-date isn't a good use of your time, either.

Of course it isn't, but there are many ways to stay up to date more time-efficient than HN and DF if you care primarily about the time expenditure.

Can you give examples?

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Post by Terretta »

warfangle wrote: post #71
Terretta wrote: post #39

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Tell him to reset network settings. If not fixed dial 611 to reprovision. Known issue with activation not setting right for iPhone 4 restored from iPhone 3, and some new iPhone 4 with glitch in activation. I get 3 Mbps / 1.5 Mbps in SoHo and the Village.

If the activation didn't set right, wouldn't he not be able to even get on the 3G network? The phone works fine - just, in tests, the network is quite a bit slower than other phones. Activation would seem to be a binary, not gradient, issue..

No, it's not binary. I saw this happen to several people, including me.

In my friend's case, for example, his data speeds were incredibly low, and he was unable to log onto the 3G Microcell base stations.

I suspect AT&T has custom settings on their end for particular classes of devices, and haven't matched those settings correctly. Could be as simple as not matching the IMEI number, or could be enabling HSDPA/HSUPA, I don't know.

But for me, him, and a couple others, AT&T had to push a reset (phone screen shows an unusual "Ok to power off" type message you only see if they push settings and a reset), and afterwards, speeds shot through the roof.

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