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Bill Gates switches to Android phone

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Re: Bill Gates switches to Android phone

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Windows Phone 8 was probably one of the best OS's Microsoft ever did. It was fast on cheap hardware and the UI actually had just one idea instead of several layers of cruft of generations of unfinished new ideas. It was more open than iOS where it counted and more closed than Android where it mattered. So naturally it failed.

>It was more open than iOS where it counted and more closed than Android where it mattered. Elaborate on counted vs mattered?

Well Microsoft got a great balance between allowing a programmer or a user to do things without allowing them end up with a phone that drains battery too fast, isn't secure, looks like a mess etcetera. Most important is it's update model. It just works.

A mid range WP Nokia would be a great secondary phone to me (disclosure: I'm an iOS developer) if it would have any traction.

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I think Microsoft hasn't given up on smartphones yet. They will give it another try next year with Surface Phone. Can't just leave such huge market to Apple and Google. It's worth it for them to keep trying to compete. Maybe they'll get it right next time.

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> Windows Phone was a solid system with a decent easy to use UI it is kind of a pity it didn’t take off. Agreed. We developed a couple apps way back in Windows Phone 7, and the UI was slick and stylish. The developer tools were fantastic - very fast and easy to create decent apps. Unfortunately we didn't see much ROI for those apps, and then Microsoft decided everyone needed to redo their apps for Windows Phone 8. It…

Yup! But they do this with version 6.5 then "rewrote apps" for 7, and then "rewrite apps" for 8 and now for 10. It's easy to understand why devs are pissed-off from that decisions. PS: I forgot fiasco with 7.5 and upgrade to 7.9 and 8.0

8 -> 8.1 was also a similar transition.

There was a period where targeting the 8.0 APIs meant you had access to one set of features and targeting the 8.1 set of APIs meant you were missing certain features but gaining others. The constant rewrites was a nightmare from the developer perspective and prevented any traction being gained.

The story of Windows Phone is full of similar bone-headed decisions in which Microsoft continuously pisses off people trying to love it.

It's been a while but here are a few things that stand out to me as being particurarly bad:

Many Windows Phone users came from Zune, so they were super into music. The Windows Phone 7 -> 8 transition made the music app into a horrifically bad experience missing so many features it was laughably bad compared to other platforms.

The flagship for a period of time was the Lumia 1020. Nokia wrote all sorts of interesting applications for it that were later unsupported or removed when Microsoft acquired Nokia.

Microsoft shipped no flagship for a really long period of time (other than the flop of the Lumia Icon available only on Verizon) and so the "super fans" had the choice of sticking with their Lumia 1020 or 'upgrading' to a cheaper build quality and worse camera Windows Phone that had better specs. Eventually when Windows 10 for phone rolled around they promised 1020 users that Windows 10 would support their phones, but eventually they gave in and announced they couldn't make it work. At that point there wasn't a fantastic successor to the 1020 from the camera perspective, so many users just left.

For a period of time the Lumia 520 was the best low cost ($50 - $100!) smartphone on the market. People actually really liked it, but once again it was unsupported when it came time to upgrade to Windows 10. This meant that a large portion of the Windows Phone install base was fragmented. Microsoft decided they didn't want to win the low-end, they wanted to win the high end (high m argin!) so they stopped making cheap phones like the 520.

I think Microsoft's problem is they continuously changed strategies all the time when they weren't seeing returns. They wanted Windows Phone to be "Microsoft scale" instantly. It seems they felt that as one of the world's largest software companies they should be instantly successful and if they were not then it was better to refocus their efforts elsewhere they could make more money. When they didn't see instant sucesss with Windows Phone there would be a leadership and strategy change resulting in whip-lash for users and developers.

I really think they had to take the under dog approach and make a few users love them, then a few more, then a few more. At the time there would have been a class of users for whom the benefits of the platform would outweigh getting the trendiest apps. Microsoft had enormous opportunity: Android phones were unusably poor on low end phones, iPhones were really expensive and more restrictive. The "app gap" to me really seemed like putting the cart before the horse. Even a company as large as Microsoft can't brute force a grass roots sort of thing like an app development community. The "app gap" is used by many to excuse Microsoft's failure to not develop a competitive platform. From my perspective Microsoft's desire to have instant success, to make a device for everyone, meant they made a platform that ultimately failed.

The crazy thing is they still haven't pronounced it dead yet. Perhaps they have a final hail mary device they're going to try, or perhaps some lingering arrogance means Microsoft would rather leave Windows Phone on life support then declare it dead.

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>Polished OS,...,battery life I don't agree Android offers that as an OS. Battery life is a little hardware specific, but on average Android provides below par "performance per mWh" compared to the other two.

Comparing "average Android" to WP / iPhone is unfair. Apple is the sole manufacturer of iPhone, while WP mainly refers to Lumia (90% market share by MS/Nokia as per [1]). If you want to compare Android with them, its fair to compare something like Pixel / Galaxy because long tail of other manufacturers just drag the average down. [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/sty...

You seem to be misunderstanding, I mean the core philosophies of Android as an OS that make it convenient/powerful in some aspects also lend to it being inefficient with battery life.

Android is making strides with things like Doze, but the same things that make iOS feel locked down for me as a developer compared to Android are also a huge part of the reason why iPhones can get such amazing standby time (since crappy software isn't even allowed to do inefficient things)

And fwiw, if I were talking about hardware, I'd expect the lower-end devices are better with battery life because more of them come with near bone stock Android than flagships.

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> Windows Phone was a solid system with a decent easy to use UI it is kind of a pity it didn’t take off. Agreed. We developed a couple apps way back in Windows Phone 7, and the UI was slick and stylish. The developer tools were fantastic - very fast and easy to create decent apps. Unfortunately we didn't see much ROI for those apps, and then Microsoft decided everyone needed to redo their apps for Windows Phone 8. It…

Yup! But they do this with version 6.5 then "rewrote apps" for 7, and then "rewrite apps" for 8 and now for 10. It's easy to understand why devs are pissed-off from that decisions. PS: I forgot fiasco with 7.5 and upgrade to 7.9 and 8.0

I guess they listened to all those people saying "the bad thing about Microsoft is the great lengths they go to for backwards compabilitity!"

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I recently switched back to Windows Phone after several years on Android and I'm liking it a lot so far. I switched from a Samsung Galaxy S6 to an HP Elite x3. The app ecosystem is lacking but I have the apps I really need (Slack for work, WhatsApp and Telegram for messaging, LastPass) plus several nice to have apps. I find I don't want a lot of apps any more and would rather use the browser or cut them out completely.

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I don’t know how it could. It doesn’t matter how nice it is the app ecosystem is too important and they’d be light years behind. If they emulated Android (like Blackberry)... why not just buy an android phone?

The fact that Microsoft is pushing Universal apps so hard, and if you're making a universal app for desktops, it's trivially easy to allow it to also work on Mobile. A not-insignificant number of times I've installed an app on my desktop and then realized I can use it on my phone, or installed a phone app, and realized it's great on my desktop too. If UWP takes off, their mobile app support will follow. New Windows 1…

> New Windows 10 S devices only running UWP apps will encourage this progress a lot.

If anybody will actually buy them.

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Windows 10 Mobile is better. Developers can use the same XAML + C# toolchain for universal apps, but easily deploy to desktops as well. The Edge browser is much better. It is fast, and shares the same kernel as regular Windows, as well as Xbox. The upcoming mobile version will have something called CShell which means that the interface will be shared among desktop and mobile, meaning that there will be no differences…

Windows 10 Mobile is not getting the Fall Creators Update, it was parked in a development branch, guess how many of us still care about doing UWP apps for it?

The newest and most common out of the existing phones are getting the fall creators update, but a "feature2" branch without CShell. I believe CShell can run all the existing UWP apps.

.NET and UWP sound like they'll be unaffected by CShell, except that developers targetting CShell will want to ensure their apps work on a larger range of display resolutions.

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Windows 10 Mobile is better. Developers can use the same XAML + C# toolchain for universal apps, but easily deploy to desktops as well. The Edge browser is much better. It is fast, and shares the same kernel as regular Windows, as well as Xbox. The upcoming mobile version will have something called CShell which means that the interface will be shared among desktop and mobile, meaning that there will be no differences…

Windows 10 Mobile is not getting the Fall Creators Update, it was parked in a development branch, guess how many of us still care about doing UWP apps for it?

Rumors abound that 10 on mobile isn't getting the FCU for reasons of surprise/marketing/skipping ahead to Redstone 4. There's a lot of talk about "Andromeda OS" and the idea that it is something different from Windows 10 on mobile, but there's also signs/rumors that seem to say "Andromeda OS" is just an internal project name for the release plans after FCU (which is Redstone 3).
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