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As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by sumfag »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #40
factsaresacred wrote: post #33

> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines" 'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do. Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago: > While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue. Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser…

If you don't know what "problematic" means you could just look it up in a dictionary. adjective: constituting or presenting a problem Or are the "word-checkers" in on the big conspiracy too?

Maybe you're missing the big picture here. Ever read 1984 or look into George Orwell's history? These books were written as a warning of this type of censorship and Orwell himself was targeted by the CIA and FBI for some of these thoughts. Thought-police comes to mind.

Ever heard of the Polish Pink Files? How about the Stasi? In every instance where this type of policing happens, it leads to major disaster.

The snide comment was cute but totally unwarranted, as conspiracies do occur.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by yostrovs »

factsaresacred wrote: post #33

> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines" 'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do. Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago: > While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue. Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser…

It really is amazing how dangerously wrong her interpretation of 1984 is. I doubt she read it recently, so that must have been her view of the whole book all the while she wanted to be president.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

#43

Post by ZeroGravitas »

sumfag wrote: post #41
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't know what "problematic" means you could just look it up in a dictionary. adjective: constituting or presenting a problem Or are the "word-checkers" in on the big conspiracy too?

Maybe you're missing the big picture here. Ever read 1984 or look into George Orwell's history? These books were written as a warning of this type of censorship and Orwell himself was targeted by the CIA and FBI for some of these thoughts. Thought-police comes to mind. Ever heard of the Polish Pink Files? How about the Stasi? In every instance where this type of policing happens, it leads to major disaster. The snide…

1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations.

To claim otherwise is not just silly, but actively working at cross purposes to the stated intent.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by gldalmaso »

IMO, I think that there's a more troubling problem brewing behind the scenes.

I believe Google increasingly doesn't understand their own outputs. This is also true of products other than search like youtube related content and ads.

They have put so many eggs in the AI basket they're not really sure if the eggs are being made into omelet or boiled or pidan.

It's a kind of Algorithmic Dissociative Disorder.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by lmm »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #40
factsaresacred wrote: post #33

> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines" 'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do. Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago: > While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue. Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser…

If you don't know what "problematic" means you could just look it up in a dictionary. adjective: constituting or presenting a problem Or are the "word-checkers" in on the big conspiracy too?

It's a hidden way of using the passive voice, and bad for the same reasons: it (deliberately) blurs the distinction between "someone might have a problem with this" and "I have a problem with this".

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by nailer »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #43
sumfag wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're missing the big picture here. Ever read 1984 or look into George Orwell's history? These books were written as a warning of this type of censorship and Orwell himself was targeted by the CIA and FBI for some of these thoughts. Thought-police comes to mind. Ever heard of the Polish Pink Files? How about the Stasi? In every instance where this type of policing happens, it leads to major disaster. The snide…

1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly, but actively working at cross purposes to the stated intent.

> 1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly

Thankfully not one of the comments you're responding to is claiming otherwise.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #46
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly, but actively working at cross purposes to the stated intent.

> 1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly Thankfully not one of the comments you're responding to is claiming otherwise.

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Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by spdustin »

factsaresacred wrote: post #33

> "Google said it had added more detailed examples of problematic pages into the guidelines" 'Problematic'. There's that word, again. The news need not even be 'fake' anymore. Simply 'problematic' will do. Here's Mark Zuckerberg not long ago: > While the amount of problematic content we've found so far remains relatively small, any attempted interference is a serious issue. Problematic to whom, one wonders? The loser…

Problematic to whom?

Readers who seek a factual account of an event.

Why is this so subjective, and why are people so riled up in these threads? News should be objectively true. If it isn't, it should be clearly flagged as opinion, or struck entirely as fiction, i.e. fake.

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

nailer wrote: post #46
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly, but actively working at cross purposes to the stated intent.

> 1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly Thankfully not one of the comments you're responding to is claiming otherwise.

Who needs the memory-hole when we can simply ignore context which is only pixels away:

"This is little more than an attempt to sanitize information so that all that remains is the pre-approved 'least problematic' truth (fact-checked, of course)."

"These books were written as a warning of this type of censorship" (emphasis in the original)

Re: As Google Fights Fake News, Voices on the Margins Raise Alarm

#50

Post by sumfag »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #43
sumfag wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you're missing the big picture here. Ever read 1984 or look into George Orwell's history? These books were written as a warning of this type of censorship and Orwell himself was targeted by the CIA and FBI for some of these thoughts. Thought-police comes to mind. Ever heard of the Polish Pink Files? How about the Stasi? In every instance where this type of policing happens, it leads to major disaster. The snide…

1984 was not written to warn against politicians being fact-checked by independent organizations. To claim otherwise is not just silly, but actively working at cross purposes to the stated intent.

This comment is poorly parsed, but if I'm understanding you correctly, you've not only completely misunderstood me but are also redirecting the argument elsewhere by misrepresenting my comment.
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