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When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by Symmetry »

pls2halp wrote: post #54
notahacker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading one of the only papers in his self-published "journal" that isn't concerned with showing that immigrants have lower IQs or more criminality than native white populations probably isn't the best way to establish whether he's a white supremacist or not, though it might be evidence for the claim that he's more contrarian crank than obsessive nationalist. One can of course draw rather more obvious negative infere…

> Immigrants have lower IQs or more criminality. Assuming a reasonable portion of these are refugees(or from third world countries), wouldn’t that be a fair link to make? Malnutrition has a clearly established link to lower IQs, hence migrants having a lowe IQ(iirc, Nordic countries have the Flynn effect strongest, so this link might hold true even for immigrants from developed nations).

And things like not having iodine in salt. That costs roughly $.05 per person per year but raises average IQ around 4 points. I gave money to the Iodine Global Network last year and I'd encourage others to do likewise.

http://www.givewell.org/charities/IGN

And there are also all the other things that public hearth programs do for those of us lucky enough to grow up in wealthy countries which most people don't appreciate nearly enough.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by ZoeZoeBee »

turc1656 wrote: post #56

It just dawned on me that Tinder is basically the new and improved version of Zuckerberg's original creation - Facesmash. Except Tinder can do so much more than that. And amusingly, Tinder is hailed as a great app while Facesmash was decried as a way of dehumanizing and objectifying people. My, how far we have come.

Do people forget HotOrNot?

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by bitexploder »

trollopTheJope wrote: post #102
dejawu wrote: post #97

I got fed up with Tinder's Android client and reverse-engineered their API (this was back when the Android security model let you use mitmproxy). Two things stood out to me: 1. The AI was kind of hacky. Updates were done by polling rather than push. There were a lot of unused fields - for example, "remaining likes" would hang at 100 until the likes were used up, then it would go straight to 0. 2. They tracked absolut…

is it feasible to do this protocol reverse engineering without mitmproxy?

You would have to tear apart the Android app itself. If it isn't obfuscated, it usually comes out pretty clean. Depends on how they implement things from there, but you could in theory reconstruct all their calls to their backend from the code. If they have an API/HTTP client that wraps it up nicely it often simplifies this chore from a static analysis perspective.

You can still use MiTM HTTP proxies pretty easily. If they don't pin certificates it is trivial. If they do pin certificates you have to understand how they are doing it and break that. Often trivial to easy, but requires an app-specific approach.

We haven't met an Android or iOS app using HTTPS that we could not MiTM yet. Usually without a lot of effort. Some times with a small to moderate amount of effort (a couple hours to a day of poking the app/code/certs).

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by sbierwagen »

grecy wrote: post #17

I assumed everyone used a fake FB profile for Tinder... is that not the case?

You have to have a minimum number of friends, and the account itself has to be older than a certain amount, in order to use it for Tinder.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by nnfy »

sangnoir wrote: post #95
dagenleg wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also don't like rabbit holes, but tenacity and smartness are really not the same thing.

It's a distinction without a difference in this case because both are positive attributes to have in immigrants (independently or jointly).

People are weirdly positive about immigration. Are you sure you want tenaceous immigrants if they are criminals and/or seek to change the culture that you and yours live by?

I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore legal borders.

Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by nnfy »

donquichotte wrote: post #32

> A few months earlier, 70,000 profiles from OkCupid (owned by Tinder’s parent company Match Group) were made public by a Danish researcher some commentators have labelled a “white supremacist”, who used the data to try to establish a link between intelligence and religious beliefs. The guy's name is Emil Kirkegaard and the paper and data is still available. I skimmed the paper and have no idea why he was labled a "w…

The situation is unfortunate, and the guy doesn't seem like the brightest, but he is asking research questions that need to be asked.

Unfortunately, people will take this as another example of how "racists are stupid," but they dont realize that the only people who are willing to touch what communities like HN have made taboo are those with nothing to lose, or those who have already been "outed" as the racists they'll be accused of being.

Research into gender and racial differences does not need to be as sloppy as this Kierkegaard guy, and I can't deny that he unfortunately has an agenda, and that he's created a breeding ground for confirmation bias and cherry picking.

Point is, though, taboo is antithetical to science. And when we dont treat it as such, and cordon off certain topics as "not socially acceptable questions," then we end up with shit like Kierkegaard.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by dragonwriter »

nnfy wrote: post #115
sangnoir wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a distinction without a difference in this case because both are positive attributes to have in immigrants (independently or jointly).

People are weirdly positive about immigration. Are you sure you want tenaceous immigrants if they are criminals and/or seek to change the culture that you and yours live by? I suppose we should differentiaye between illegal and legal immigrants. I'd venture to guess that, on average self selection for intelligence manifests in the form of legal immigration, while the so called "tenaceous" immigrants tend to ignore le…

> Before anyone accuses me of white supremacy or privilege or such nonsense, my parents were first generation legal immigrants.

How is that inconsistent with White supremacy or privilege? Because of geographic distribution of races, immigration demand, and per-country allocation of visa quotas, white people often have an advantage in legal immigration and the legal immigration is structured around preference classes which are themselves institutionalized privilege and also correlate with various more general privileges of birth, inheritance, and circumstance.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by dragonwriter »

pls2halp wrote: post #54
notahacker wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reading one of the only papers in his self-published "journal" that isn't concerned with showing that immigrants have lower IQs or more criminality than native white populations probably isn't the best way to establish whether he's a white supremacist or not, though it might be evidence for the claim that he's more contrarian crank than obsessive nationalist. One can of course draw rather more obvious negative infere…

> Immigrants have lower IQs or more criminality. Assuming a reasonable portion of these are refugees(or from third world countries), wouldn’t that be a fair link to make? Malnutrition has a clearly established link to lower IQs, hence migrants having a lowe IQ(iirc, Nordic countries have the Flynn effect strongest, so this link might hold true even for immigrants from developed nations).

> Assuming a reasonable portion of these are refugees(or from third world countries), wouldn’t that be a fair link to make?

No.

Among other errors, you seem to be assuming that immigrants from third-world countries are a representative sample of the population of the country.

Re: When I asked Tinder for my data, it sent me 800 pages of my deepest secrets

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Post by and0 »

gknoy wrote: post #110
firloop wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between logging and data collection?

I work on a web application, and would love to have some metrics which I would consider "logging". The distinction I would make is, - Data collection is about learning things about your users - Logging is about learning what your users were doing when Something Went Wrong. Obviously, there's a _ton_ of overlap here, in that a lot of (all of?) the info one uses collects for one purpose could be used for the other. As…

I think a simple test for how innocent the UI logging is would be: does it get uploaded all the time or logged locally until a crash happens?

If a company is hitting an external API with every interaction, I'm guessing it's for gathering data on user behavior. The question then is whether or not it's anonymous.

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