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Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by nickelbox »

xemoka wrote: post #201
doktrin wrote: post #68

Wow, it really is blazing fast, and just at a glance I like what they're doing with the dev tools. Unfortunately... > Vimperator : "This add-on is not compatible with your version of Firefox." Ouch. Guess I might need to wait a bit to make this my daily driver. All in all, though, I have to say I'm really glad to see Firefox is still solidly in this race - and with a kick ass and quite possibly superior product to bo…

There's also Saka Key [ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/saka-key/ ] that has an vim keybindings mode. It looks like currently Vimium-FF cannot open new tabs...

Wait, really? The plugin page even uses 5t as an example of command repetition. Might not make the switch if that's the case.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by low_battery »

pcwalton wrote: post #207
low_battery wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry I didn't mean Sandboxing used Rust, It was a separate thing (That Rust is less susceptible to such class of errors, so the more code written in Rust the better) Also didn't mean it has no sandboxing (I knew about efforts), my point was its security is not a match for Chrome yet, as seen from the amount and type of critical errors. When it is there I would definitely use it along with Chrome.

In case it wasn't clear, it is now the case that content process compromise is no longer critical unless combined with sandbox escape. Looking at historical vulnerability reports can be misleading in this regard, as the sandboxing features are rather recent (pre-stable-version in some cases).

If I wasn't clear as well, As far as I can see from the link you gave It still does not match the level of security Chrome offers, it is getting there, but not yet.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by floatboth »

milankragujevic wrote: post #218
typon wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here I am just enjoying my Opera. Built-in ad blocker, built-in WhatsApp Web, great UI, ultra fast, supports all modern web technologies.

Opera is just rebranded Chrome, with some badly-advertised "VPN" slapped on top of it, a shadow of it's former self (the Presto version).

Opera is using Chromium's engine ("Blink"), but the whole UI shell ("chrome") is custom, with many UI conventions from old Opera.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by sammoth »

mdek wrote: post #229

If you want to try these performance improvements (servo, e10s) but keep legacy add-on compatibility (at least for now) I suggest installing firefox 56, disabling auto-updates, and making the following changes/additions in about:config browser.tabs.remote.autostart true browser.tabs.remote.force-enable true layout.css.servo.enabled true This way I get to keep my Tree Style Tab, Lastpass, and a few other add-ons that…

But then you are probably using the WebExtension compatibility shim which severely reduces the performance gains in the newest versions anyway.

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Post by owaislone »

bhnmmhmd wrote: post #231
driverdan wrote: post #84

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I'd like to see the same comparison on a Mac. The Windows version of Firefox has been close to Chrome performance for a while. The Mac version has been significantly slower.

+1 for mentioning huge CPU usage by Nightly on Mac. I've been sending feedbacks for Nightly for a while now, but they don't seem to read them. The two biggest issues are: 1- High CPU usage (which leads to high temperature and shorter battery life) 2- No "Look Up / Define" in right-click menu. Fix them and I'll switch from Chrome in a blink.

> in a blink Funny even though you probably didn't intent it to be.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by floatboth »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #150
DiabloD3 wrote: post #44

As someone that jumped ship from how slow Chrome has gotten and went to Nightly /w Stylo and (CPU threads - 1) e10s processes enabled about 2 monthsish ago... Holy damn Firefox is actually fast. Fair comparison, both having Pocket, uBlock, Evernote, OneNote, Pushbullet, and Bitwarden; neither of them having an extension the other doesn't. Above described Firefox Nightly config vs Chrome Dev. Test machines are a works…

I used Firefox Focus on my Pixel for a few weeks and was blown away by how fast it was. The mobile web went from borderline unusable to borderline pleasant with it, I imagine largely due to its tracking and limited ad blocking. Sadly, I migrated back to Chrome because anything that needs to work with Google login or opening an app simply doesn't work. This causes issues with a lot of things I use. I feel like I'm bei…

Focus is, uh… WebKit/Chromium with no traditional browser session features (history/bookmarks/etc.) and a tracking blocker. Useful, but not "true Firefox" :)

I like Firefox Nightly on Android though, it's really good.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by steveklabnik »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #196
mastax wrote: post #188

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Not really. Parts of Firefox like Tracemonkey (or whatever they call the js engine now) aren't going to be rewritten because it would take a decade to do. I expect that Firefox will always be built more like a C++ project with Rust components than the other way. That said "project quantum" is about improving the browser which applies to all of the code not just the Rust parts.

I see. The page didn't really go into specifics about how they made Firefox Quantum faster, so I had assumed that it was faster because they were rewriting parts in Rust.

Those who work on Servo/Firefox have stated before that it's not "because they were rewriting parts in Rust", but because they've been re-architected for today's hardware. Rust is still significant, as its safety features allowed them to pull off things like aggressive parallelism without introducing tricky bugs. But people don't generally believe that simply re-writing something in Rust instantly makes it faster.

I am synthesizing previous comments here, so take this with a grain of salt. Maybe ManishEarth or pcwalton will chime in.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by kibwen »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #196
mastax wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Parts of Firefox like Tracemonkey (or whatever they call the js engine now) aren't going to be rewritten because it would take a decade to do. I expect that Firefox will always be built more like a C++ project with Rust components than the other way. That said "project quantum" is about improving the browser which applies to all of the code not just the Rust parts.

I see. The page didn't really go into specifics about how they made Firefox Quantum faster, so I had assumed that it was faster because they were rewriting parts in Rust.

Aside from the performance gains that you'd naturally expect from an expert rewrite, lots of the performance gains are due to aggressive concurrency and parallelization, which is a task that Rust is designed to excel at.

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Post by bowmessage »

virtualwhys wrote: post #35
baby wrote: post #16

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Is Tree Style Tab working on it? I've disabled updates until further notice.

Yes, thankfully there's a nightly build[1]. Until there's a stable/signed release you have to allow unsigned extensions; set `xpinstall.signatures.required` to false. To hide the default tab bar I needed to put the following in ~/.mozilla/firefox/xyz123-profile-here/chrome/userChrome.css #TabsToolbar > * { visibility: collapse; } Some features, like autohide, aren't available with the new web extensions model, but ot…

Thank you so much! I've been searching for a way to hide the top bar for a while now.

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Post by floatboth »

ryebit wrote: post #209
imple wrote: post #88

I can throw my hat into the ring and attest to just how great 57 is. I can remember the Australis update coming out and receiving a mixed reaction, but I can't see this update receiving anything but praise. If you've been on Chrome for a while I'd definitely encourage you to try it out. As a developer one small thing that's irked me is the recent removal of the ability for the dev tools to render html responses. Ther…

Yeah, the whole pulling the API rug out from under Firebug really disappointed me. The FF dev tools looked good initially, but I quickly realized I couldn't actually use them. It was death by a thousand papercuts: all of the features seem to have some trivial-seeming problem that ends up hampering productivity past the point where switching to Chrome's dev tools gets the job done. It may lack some things I do like ab…

Wow, someone still used Firebug o_0 I dropped it as soon as the first version of Firefox Dev Tools shipped.
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