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Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by Vinnl »

mtgx wrote: post #54

That video in the post seems to show Chrome is still significantly faster in half of the tests shown there. How is that possible? From what Servo was initially promising (even 3-4x the speed of old Firefox), it didn't look like Chrome would come close either. Did they make that many compromises when "porting parts from Servo" to Gecko? What's hurting Firefox's performance so much that even after implementing Electrol…

I guess it mostly comes down to "performance is difficult, and optimisations for one use case might cause regressions for another".

Note, though, that there's still more to come [1].

Also, I guess the state of Servo can tell you what a tremendous effort rewriting is, and why that would still take quite a while to finish.

[1] "Project Quantum: There’s more to come" at https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-...

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by Vinnl »

Touche wrote: post #65

Can someone more in the know explain if this uses webrender or not? I thought that it did... I have to admit that I'm not super impressed with the results here. Based on the talk that pcwalton did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erfnCaeLxSI I was expected it not to just be a little faster than Chrome, but to, like, double the speed, or more. Is it that these are just not good candidates for showing how much faster t…

It doesn't yet, see the final paragraph here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/09/firefox-quantum-developer-...

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by steveklabnik »

k__ wrote: post #62
DiabloD3 wrote: post #44

As someone that jumped ship from how slow Chrome has gotten and went to Nightly /w Stylo and (CPU threads - 1) e10s processes enabled about 2 monthsish ago... Holy damn Firefox is actually fast. Fair comparison, both having Pocket, uBlock, Evernote, OneNote, Pushbullet, and Bitwarden; neither of them having an extension the other doesn't. Above described Firefox Nightly config vs Chrome Dev. Test machines are a works…

I switched to Chrome years ago and every time I try Firefox it feels sluggish, so I don't switch back. Last time was a week ago :\

The key is, which version a week ago? Unless it was nightly you wouldn't have seen any of the stuff in the OP.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by Vinnl »

doktrin wrote: post #68

Wow, it really is blazing fast, and just at a glance I like what they're doing with the dev tools. Unfortunately... > Vimperator : "This add-on is not compatible with your version of Firefox." Ouch. Guess I might need to wait a bit to make this my daily driver. All in all, though, I have to say I'm really glad to see Firefox is still solidly in this race - and with a kick ass and quite possibly superior product to bo…

Vimperator, unfortunately, appears to be one of the few extensions that can never be fully ported, as it made use of API's that implied a security risk.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by steveklabnik »

Touche wrote: post #65

Can someone more in the know explain if this uses webrender or not? I thought that it did... I have to admit that I'm not super impressed with the results here. Based on the talk that pcwalton did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erfnCaeLxSI I was expected it not to just be a little faster than Chrome, but to, like, double the speed, or more. Is it that these are just not good candidates for showing how much faster t…

WebRender, last I heard, is targeting 58. It's certainly not in this release.

I use it in nightly via the config flag; it is pretty great but there are still some glitches from time to time.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by nicoburns »

Touche wrote: post #65

Can someone more in the know explain if this uses webrender or not? I thought that it did... I have to admit that I'm not super impressed with the results here. Based on the talk that pcwalton did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erfnCaeLxSI I was expected it not to just be a little faster than Chrome, but to, like, double the speed, or more. Is it that these are just not good candidates for showing how much faster t…

I believe integrating webrender is still a work in progress. The big piece included here is 'stylo' the CSS parser from servo.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by simlevesque »

Yoric wrote: post #39
simlevesque wrote: post #33

Quantum has been broken for me for at least a month. Everytime I click on the right mouse button it goes to the previous page. It never happened on any browser before including Firefox.

That looks weird. Have you filed a bug? Also, just in case, have you tried without extensions? Because that looks like something that a misbehaving WebExtension could easily do.

I have no WebExtensions installed.

I sent a feedback but I'll file a bug report right now.

edit: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1403187

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by [deleted] »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #44

As someone that jumped ship from how slow Chrome has gotten and went to Nightly /w Stylo and (CPU threads - 1) e10s processes enabled about 2 monthsish ago... Holy damn Firefox is actually fast. Fair comparison, both having Pocket, uBlock, Evernote, OneNote, Pushbullet, and Bitwarden; neither of them having an extension the other doesn't. Above described Firefox Nightly config vs Chrome Dev. Test machines are a works…

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Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by Vinnl »

chimen wrote: post #70

Any idea how I can get rid of that title bar that sits on top of the tab bar? In the demo I saw it's not present or it may have been cut from it. Linux

I think that's not possible yet (but soon): https://twitter.com/Sesivany/status/908628645299748865

That said, if you use GNOME Shell, the Pixel Saver extension is great for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/723/pixel-saver/

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