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Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by rndgermandude »

Vinnl wrote: post #18
sorenjan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's a real shame that it seems like they don't even care about extensions anymore, and therefore forces me to stay on the older versions and miss out on the new and welcome improvements. I'd be more ok with their switch to web extensions if they had included more powerful API:s, even if they're not available in other browsers. My developer edition recently got upgraded to 57, and Greasemonkey stopped working. R…

If they hadn't deprecated the old extensions yet, the newest version would be pretty much the same as using the old version. This way, some people who don't rely on those extensions (I believe half of the users don't even run an extension at all?) can benefit from those improvements now, and you'll be able to do so later.

That's not true, the legacy extensions kept working w/ the project quantum stuff until mozilla broke completely unrelated stuff. E.g. Greasemonkey only broke because they renamed (not removed) a few things.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by option_greek »

baby wrote: post #16
EasyTiger_ wrote: post #3

I've been trying out the nightly versions of 57 and it's really fast. Would recommend people try out the Beta.

Is Tree Style Tab working on it? I've disabled updates until further notice.

Me too. I felt numb with shock for a while after upgrading to 55.0 :D

Downgraded to 54.0 as fast as I could.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by comice »

karkisuni wrote: post #7

Running Safari 11 on High Sierra and got a 90 on the speedometer 2.0 test referenced. Why are they bragging about a 66? For reference, ran the test with Firefox Quantum on the same machine and got a 68.

compared to Firefox 52 and Chrome, it's a big improvement.

And Safari isn't available on Ubuntu or Windows, so it scores a 0 on those platforms ;)

https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/quantum-performance-test/

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by DiabloD3 »

As someone that jumped ship from how slow Chrome has gotten and went to Nightly /w Stylo and (CPU threads - 1) e10s processes enabled about 2 monthsish ago...

Holy damn Firefox is actually fast.

Fair comparison, both having Pocket, uBlock, Evernote, OneNote, Pushbullet, and Bitwarden; neither of them having an extension the other doesn't. Above described Firefox Nightly config vs Chrome Dev.

Test machines are a workstation with a i7-4771 @ 3.9ghz, 32GB DDR3-2133, Radeon 7970 with a trio of 1080p screens (a very fast modern machine from the Haswell era) and a laptop with a i5-32120M, 8GB of DDR3-1600, Intel HD4000 iGPU feeding a 13" 2560x1600 @ 200% hidpi (an Ivy Bridge era MBPr 13" Late 2012). Both machines run Win10.

Both machines have less real world wait on Firefox than Chrome, and the interface has less latency between when I do something and it even begins processing the request. Also, under a ton of windows and tabs, Firefox seems to use less RAM and the speed gap seems to widen.

I don't care about about artificial benchmarks, btw, they never seem to measure what actually makes browsers slower for humans.

Edit: Even though I just said I don't care about benchmarks, using Speedometer 2.0-r2216: On the workstation: Firefox 58.0a1 2017-09-26 64bit 61.18 vs Chrome 63.0.3217.0 dev 64-bit 51.67; on the laptop, same versions: Firefox 28.58 vs Chrome 26.74

So, arguably, flat out benchmarkable performance is the same, with Firefox just slightly edging ahead (18% and 6% faster). It isn't enough to explain how fast Firefox feels now.

Edit 2: And now with Edge 40.15063.0.0/EdgeHTML 15.15063: Workstation, 46.72; Laptop 21.37. Firefox is 34% and 31% faster, Chrome is 25% and 11% faster.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by Waterluvian »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #22

Firefox, I love you, but you and my 15" rMBP (with 4k Dell external monitor) simply don't get along: https://i.imgur.com/rByz7zS.png I don't what causes this, but in the last 2 years it's gotten worse and with Quantum the CPU usage is even higher. Chrome and Safari don't have this issue.

I would love to hear from others who have this problem too. In fact I have a 15" MBP and a 4k Dell monitor at work so when I get back next week I will test it too.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by mkj »

eklavya wrote: post #11

I so wanted to use the new Firefox and switch from safari. I searched and was excited to learn there was an extension for integration with keychain on mac only to learn that it was no longer supported :( I understand the push behind web extensions but I don't think there will ever be a keychain integration addon now.

Something like Keychain support seems high-risk to leave to third party addons? In the back of my mind I wonder if they'll also follow the Chrome model of malware takeovers.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by zspitzer »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #22

Firefox, I love you, but you and my 15" rMBP (with 4k Dell external monitor) simply don't get along: https://i.imgur.com/rByz7zS.png I don't what causes this, but in the last 2 years it's gotten worse and with Quantum the CPU usage is even higher. Chrome and Safari don't have this issue.

try a profile reset https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-a...

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by AsyncAwait »

angrygoat wrote: post #40
spiderfarmer wrote: post #22

Firefox, I love you, but you and my 15" rMBP (with 4k Dell external monitor) simply don't get along: https://i.imgur.com/rByz7zS.png I don't what causes this, but in the last 2 years it's gotten worse and with Quantum the CPU usage is even higher. Chrome and Safari don't have this issue.

I wonder if MacOS just isn't that much of a priority for Firefox? Popular but heavy sites like Facebook perform quite poorly relative to Chrome on my (admittedly quite old) early 2013 MBP, but the difference seems to vanish under Linux or Windows. I'd love to switch to Firefox, I'm not that keen to be running a browser made by a gargantuan advertising agency.

> I wonder if MacOS just isn't that much of a priority for Firefox?

Hardly, most Mozilla people I've seen use a Mac, if anything, it's Linux that is a bit less of a priority it seems.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by gepoch »

Lots of comments from people suffering issues and missing their favorite plugins, so I thought I'd jump in as a former Chrome user.

Firefox quantum is really very good. This is the first time in a long time that I've been able to entertain switching browsers. It is at least on par with the speed of chrome, and since I'm moving from chrome, I'm not really missing any Firefox plugins too much. I've been able to port my most needed plugins from chrome's app store, and I'm using an "open in chrome" plugin to bridge the gap with hangouts so that I can have a reasonable workflow at work. It's been a pleasure to use!

I am currently also experiencing the awesomeness of tab containers. These things are a godsend, and I think they'll be in every browser before too much longer.

I have to say, I do feel that Mozilla has sacrificed some of its existing userbase to make a grab at Chrome's. It's worked in my case, but they've definitely upended the environments of a lot of people. I hope it pays off for them. For the first time in a long time though, Firefox feels really fast and innovative again. I look forward to my next phase of my browser life as an enthusiastic user.

Re: Firefox Quantum Lands in Beta, Developer Edition

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Post by spiderfarmer »

zspitzer wrote: post #47
spiderfarmer wrote: post #22

Firefox, I love you, but you and my 15" rMBP (with 4k Dell external monitor) simply don't get along: https://i.imgur.com/rByz7zS.png I don't what causes this, but in the last 2 years it's gotten worse and with Quantum the CPU usage is even higher. Chrome and Safari don't have this issue.

try a profile reset https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-a...

I tried. Didn't help.
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