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Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by halloij »

icbm504 wrote: post #73
ChuckMcM wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And one wonders why it is impossible for a new search engine to get started :-) When Google started paying over a billion dollars a year to buy search traffic it was pretty clear that it was not going to be possible to grow a new full stack search engine organically. Now they are over $4B/year buying traffic, its pretty crazy.

I am not a legal expert, but at what point does the DoJ step and investigate Google for monopolizing 'search'.

They should have stepped in about 10 years ago.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by briandear »

bigbugbag wrote: post #66
millstone wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree strongly. Apple pays a serious price for their privacy stance, which they would rather not pay. Doing machine learning on-device makes it less effective. Apple's directions aren't as good as they could be because Maps randomly segments trips and masks its users identity. Apple's App Store revenues are lower because they limit how apps can identify users. This difference is deeper than business models. Compar…

When you compare anything to google, it will look as if caring for privacy. Google is the hugest ad network based on gobbling all privacy from everywhere while Apple is an overpriced hardware seller, of course it will do better on privacy than google. But this does not make apple a privacy oriented company.

Overpriced? Not if they are selling products at te price offered. If they were OVER priced, they would sell zero. If a good is above the price people are willing to pay, they will sell zero. Clearly, that is not the case. An economic nitpick to be sure but factual. They are correctly priced given their sales and profitability numbers.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by throwaway47861 »

WARNING: Meta comment. Downvote to your heart's content.

I am very disappointed and disheartened by a good chunk of the HN commenters right here in this thread. I would expect Apple hating in some Android-focused outlet where people get points and badges based on how much times they repeat "iSheep" in an hour, but here?!

Boys and girls around here, HN is the modern place where the more intelligent and supposedly open-minded folk gathers. It's one of the last bastions of free thought which isn't a filter bubble. You should be much better than what you show.

"Yeah but Apple doesn't protect privacy, it just..." "Everybody looks privacy-oriented when compared to Google..." "Google just collects data for its ad platform which people view as a bad thing..." "Apple plays the privacy card to get more customers..."

etc.

...Seriously?

Look, none of us knows for sure. But talking like that disqualifies you from any intelligent and adult discussion in my eyes; and yes, you aren't much better than the Google fanboys I stumble upon daily on Google+ and 9GAG. Hence I am using a throwaway account. I am pretty sure plenty of people won't take this comment well.

Do better. A good part of you here are a disgrace to watch. And you're supposed to be an intellectual elite. Damn.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by piyush_soni »

simonh wrote: post #82
piyush_soni wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was a great 'free' PR boost for them actually, which less informed people take as Apple's great stand on privacy. Apple helped FBI in every possible way for months in their investigation (had also unlocked dozens of phones for them before), even gladly gave away the suspect's iCloud data (so much for customer privacy). It's only when FBI made their next request (to create a backdoor/loophole in brute-force unloc…

But in the article you link to as [0] it also says Apple had already refused to comply with an All Writs Act request in an unrelated case several months previously. It doesn’t seem that the under seal request would have made any difference to their actual decision, which they’d already made. This pretty much kills dead any suggestion that they somehow changed their mind for PR reasons, in fact they pretty clearly did…

If they were that serious about users' privacy, they would have fought with the order of giving the iCloud data too.

Also I don't see a direct relation between their accessibility efforts and efforts on privacy. That way, we can link anything with anything else.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by halloij »

lemoncucumber wrote: post #4
jakebasile wrote: post #2

I really wish they'd let me set Siri to search DuckDuckGo.

I could almost see Apple buying DuckDuckGo, given that a) Apple cares about their users' privacy, and b) Apple cares about having control over the entire user experience. DuckDuckGo would fit right in with both of those core pieces of Apple (no pun intended). I don't think it'll actually happen, but it doesn't seem too far-fetched.

What does duckduckgo actually have to buy?

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by sitepodmatt »

Bing is still poor for obscure searches, e.g. today Im searching for other poor folks dealing with ebay's API and the message "Invalid store category name" in quotes. Bing 0, DuckDuckGo 0, Google plenty. Reality is most of my tech searches are like this and hence I can't give up Google, or I can at cost of either my time or my clients. It be nice to have another search engine with depth of Google but nothing comes close, it's like the old days of Yahoo directory vs AltaVista, you could never find the serialz on Yahoo.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by tryingagainbro »

bigbugbag wrote: post #85
tryingagainbro wrote: post #37

Why doesn't Apple open their checkbook and start their own search engine. I mean, really open it. It's not like they don't have the money and it's not like this is a logical step. They can't start small, meaning the need users to train the SE? What else can it be. Of course they can't put live a horrible version...

Probably because it costs a serious amount of money to make, requires a very expensive infrastructure with high maintenance cost and does not bring in any serious money. Also they probably lack the skill to do this.

>>it costs a serious amount of money to make, requires a very expensive infrastructure with high maintenance cost...Also they probably lack the skill to do this.... "

all solved by money, virtually unlimited money as Apple makes $45+ billion in income each year and has some $200+ billion in bank. They can bid against google for google's top search engineers and Google will run out of money first..

There is a lot of money in search, maybe not as much as Google is making now (90% of their page is ads) but still a lot money, more than enough to make the investment worthwhile.

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by [deleted] »

daveFNbuck wrote: post #41
beaner wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this was a particularly difficult thing to do. they're an almost $800 billion company with one of the most valuable brands in the world and the most loyal followers. They have more of an ability to stand up to these things than anyone. And if they lost, it's not like anything particularly bad was going to happen to them. They'd just have to cede the info. And it was the right thing to do anyway. They ha…

They weren't being asked for info. They were being asked to develop and sign an OS update to bypass any iPhone's security.

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Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by jhasse »

throwaway47861 wrote: post #113

WARNING: Meta comment. Downvote to your heart's content. I am very disappointed and disheartened by a good chunk of the HN commenters right here in this thread. I would expect Apple hating in some Android-focused outlet where people get points and badges based on how much times they repeat "iSheep" in an hour, but here?! Boys and girls around here, HN is the modern place where the more intelligent and supposedly open…

What's wrong about "Everybody looks privacy-oriented when compared to Google..."?

Re: Apple switches from Bing to Google for Siri web search on iOS and Mac Spotlight

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Post by jhasse »

briandear wrote: post #112
bigbugbag wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you compare anything to google, it will look as if caring for privacy. Google is the hugest ad network based on gobbling all privacy from everywhere while Apple is an overpriced hardware seller, of course it will do better on privacy than google. But this does not make apple a privacy oriented company.

Overpriced? Not if they are selling products at te price offered. If they were OVER priced, they would sell zero. If a good is above the price people are willing to pay, they will sell zero. Clearly, that is not the case. An economic nitpick to be sure but factual. They are correctly priced given their sales and profitability numbers.

No, you can have at least one customer even it is overpriced (e. g. if Apple sold the iPhone X for $10,000, it's very like that still at least one person buys it, it definitely would be overpriced though).

It's overpriced if you could make more revenue by lowering the price.

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