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Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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The conviction for a serious federal offence I think probably flagged him in the DB ... would be a reasonable reason for this. I don't think there's any scandal here.

The scandal to me (unrelated to Chelsea directly) is that Canada CBP has higher level access in the US NCIC than most domestic law enforcement agencies.

Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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post #4

The conviction for a serious federal offence I think probably flagged him in the DB ... would be a reasonable reason for this. I don't think there's any scandal here.

The scandal to me (unrelated to Chelsea directly) is that Canada CBP has higher level access in the US NCIC than most domestic law enforcement agencies.

How do you get that from the letter posted? The letter claims she admitted she was incarcerated. That said its no surprise Canada and the USA share their criminal record databases. At least on the Canadian side its been a point of controversy around granted pardons which the US does not recognize.

Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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The conviction for a serious federal offence I think probably flagged him in the DB ... would be a reasonable reason for this. I don't think there's any scandal here.

Her

Oh yea - her. I usually only refer to the situation of his disclosure, in which case 'him'. I've never commented before on her, post gender change.

Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scandal to me (unrelated to Chelsea directly) is that Canada CBP has higher level access in the US NCIC than most domestic law enforcement agencies.

How do you get that from the letter posted? The letter claims she admitted she was incarcerated. That said its no surprise Canada and the USA share their criminal record databases. At least on the Canadian side its been a point of controversy around granted pardons which the US does not recognize.

> unrelated to Chelsea directly

I think you skipped over the above or maybe I wasn’t clear, I didn’t mean to imply the letter said that, I have first hand knowledge to my statement.

Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her

Oh yea - her. I usually only refer to the situation of his disclosure, in which case 'him'. I've never commented before on her, post gender change.

It's standard (journalistic) practice to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns even when referencing events before their transition.

Re: Chelsea Manning barred from entering Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yea - her. I usually only refer to the situation of his disclosure, in which case 'him'. I've never commented before on her, post gender change.

It's standard (journalistic) practice to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns even when referencing events before their transition.

"It's standard (journalistic) practice"

I'm definitely not a journalist. I think it's reasonable to refer to someone as their actual gender during an actual event , it would seem rather more accurate, no? Also, as long as people are being reasonable I don't think we remotely need that level of language policing.

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