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Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Nicely done! This is a great idea! I hope those photos from the 30s are digitized so they can receive the same treatment

From what I've seen of the 1930s/40s tax photos, they're much better quality as far as framing. Not sure if this is the case across the board, but the copies I looked up were pretty consistently better. But you have to either go in to the municipal building to look at them or order them online.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I know of. Without some way of knowing where and when they're from, I'm not sure how useful the data would be. It'd make an interesting project. During WWII the UK government (maybe the US? I'm unable to find a reference but the search terms are pretty generic) requested pictures and postcards from people who'd taken recent trips into Europe. They wanted them for intelligence reasons - I think it was the UK.…

> But, it seems like it'd be a large pile of data and work. Unless they knew when and where they came from, I'm not sure how much value they'd have - other than aesthetics. You're right, its a huge pile of work. Without the geotag and temporal EXIF data, you're relying on machine vision/structure from motion (think https://mapillary.com ) to rebuild 3D scenes solely from image data. https://help.mapillary.com/hc/en-u…

When I typed my reply, I briefly considered if AI/ML/NN might help but then I thought about it. I don't think there will be enough training data and I suspect that existing reference points would be vastly different, and made even more difficult to use by the lack of resolution.

But... If it had some initial training done by hand, and by people including what dates and locations they know, maybe it could work backwards? It'd still end up being a HUGE amount of data and the compute power for that would probably be obscene.

Which, of course, means I think it's an excellent idea and that someone should do this. I can't even begin to imagine the costs. This might just be the best idea ever, or the worst.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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Seems that there would be quite a bit of historical value to getting everyone to digitize their personal photos and upload them to a shared repository. Has there already been such an effort?

In Detroit they collected family movies taken around the date of the 1967 Detroit riots and created a movie.

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/movies/2017/02/13/d...

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But, it seems like it'd be a large pile of data and work. Unless they knew when and where they came from, I'm not sure how much value they'd have - other than aesthetics. You're right, its a huge pile of work. Without the geotag and temporal EXIF data, you're relying on machine vision/structure from motion (think https://mapillary.com ) to rebuild 3D scenes solely from image data. https://help.mapillary.com/hc/en-u…

When I typed my reply, I briefly considered if AI/ML/NN might help but then I thought about it. I don't think there will be enough training data and I suspect that existing reference points would be vastly different, and made even more difficult to use by the lack of resolution. But... If it had some initial training done by hand, and by people including what dates and locations they know, maybe it could work backwar…

Sounds like fun! I know the Mapillary folks from interviewing with them. I think it'd just be a matter of me paying for the spot instances for the compute time. I'm going to ask!

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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The South Bronx really was a war-zone.

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194

http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165

All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible.

Edit: correction, while rent-control played a big role in Brooklyn's housing abandonment rate, South Bronx faced a variety of factors in addition to rent control:

> For example, housing abandonment in the South Bronx, probably the most devastated area in the entire city, can be plausibly related to the economics of an obsolete housing stock. The area was one of the most densely populated in the country in the 1940s and 1950s, and the housing stock consists almost entirely of five- and six-story walkups. As population density decreased, fifth- and sixth-story walkup apartments became unrentable at prices sufficient for sound building maintenance, irrespective of rent controls. Arson eventually became the owners' only financially rewarding alternative.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100610/BLOGS01/306109...

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

One of the most stunning parts of the movie Koyaanisqatsi are the demolition of builds in the South Bronx (I'm pretty sure they're there, can someone confirm?). And, the scenes from the movie Wolfen look very similar to the above scenes.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

Another perspective on the rash of South Bronx arsons is that it was caused by bad data science. See story here: http://nypost.com/2010/05/16/why-the-bronx-burned/

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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post #17
post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

Another perspective on the rash of South Bronx arsons is that it was caused by bad data science. See story here: http://nypost.com/2010/05/16/why-the-bronx-burned/

Thanks, I came across that article too. I've included an edit, there were many factors involved in the South Bronx blight (economic and political), but yes fire stations shutting down in neighbourhoods with less political pull was certainly one of them.

The fires ended up ruining entire neighbourhoods due to the poor city response times, but the simple fact is many of them were started due to landlord arson or from poor property maintenance by the owners.

Re: Street View of 80s NYC

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post #16
post #15

The South Bronx really was a war-zone. http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8265/-73.9080 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8107/-73.9180 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8188/-73.9217 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8229/-73.9167 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8102/-73.9194 http://80s.nyc/#show/40.8152/-73.9165 All of those rent-control incentivized arsons... empty lots with garbage everywhere... dogs running around with no owners visible. Edit: correction, whil…

One of the most stunning parts of the movie Koyaanisqatsi are the demolition of builds in the South Bronx (I'm pretty sure they're there, can someone confirm?). And, the scenes from the movie Wolfen look very similar to the above scenes.

Those were in St. Louis, MO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruitt–Igoe

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