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Poll: Are you a software pirate?

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Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

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post #18

Yes. I pirated WinXP in order to run IE for testing purposes.

You know they give you a version of xp and vista for testing ie right? It's a virtual machine image preloaded but time limited. http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/details.aspx?familyid=21E...

Last time I checked there was no way of getting those images working outside of Virtual PC.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#62
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. I guess what I really meant is that if you're using a platform where most everything is free you don't really need to pirate software. Macs, in my opinion, could almost be lumped in with Windows.

My impression is that mac users tend to buy software more often than windows users as a percentage of the whole, at least for small to medium applications. Examples: Textmate, Transmit, Sizeup, Divvy, etc. I highly doubt that would apply to behemoths like photoshop though. Not that I have any data to back that up, just my general impression.

I am amazed at the amount of trivial mac apps that sell for $20+. OMG, bold font pro and spellcheck+ are on special offer! Culture shock for a Linux user.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#63
post #24

It's interesting that "No" is winning. If we had run this poll in 1990 I'm sure it would have been about 99% in the Yes camp. Guessing about reasons... what do you all think? - Software moved to the web and is funded by subscriptions, advertising, corporate behemoths, donations, or mere hope. - Free software answers a lot of people's needs, especially on HN. - Operating systems are good enough that we don't need a lo…

There's a weird convergence going on here. I'm an old fogey now (34) and it seems that everyone younger than me has little to no respect for intellectual property rights. From their perspective, downloading a movie using Bittorrent is not ethically any different than renting it from Blockbuster.

At the same time, so many good things are either free or bundled with the hardware so you don't feel the marginal cost of them. You don't "need" to pirate MS Office to have a usable computer, OO and Google Docs are pretty damn good these days.

A lot of gaming has moved to consoles (much harder to pirate) or online subscriptions like WOW or Steam, which also make piracy more difficult.

And yes, when I say I don't pirate software, I include fonts in that list. There are plenty of good free fonts, and many great fonts are pretty affordable.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#64

I am a student and a hobbyist. Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, Maya and Sony Forge are examples of great software that I really want to use and love to use, but simply could never afford as a student. I'd add Windows 7 and the Office pack to the list, if my school didn't offer free licenses for them. And to be honest, even if I was making decent money and using those tools as a pro, I'd still only pay for the software…

I think it benefits these companies for students to train in Maya/3D Studio

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#65
I'd like to pitch a follow-up question to everyone answering "I used to, but now I use linux" or just "I use linux so no":

If you were to move back to Windows/Mac OR if you faced the same questions within a Linux environment, would you then pirate software?

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#66
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I'm in the minority here, but Photoshop is worth every penny to me. I don't upgrade to every version (I usually skip every other one) but I don't steal it, and I certainly don't find GIMP to be an honest substitute. If you dabble in graphics, or are making things for the web, it's fine. If you do some of the things I do, GIMP just doesn't have the workflow or the features yet. I really don't want to turn this…

Non-linear video editing is even more so, I feel. I do not do a whole lot of it, but I've discovered that there really is no halfway decent free option (besides iMovie, but that's only 'free' if you bought a mac, and it's incredibly weak)

I don't really do video editing myself, but depending on what level of complexity you need, some of my friends/acquaintances use one or more of: PiTiVi, Kdenlive, LiVES, and Cinerella. Of those, Cinerella is probably the most 'serious' (and also has the highest learning curve).

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

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post #30
post #24

It's interesting that "No" is winning. If we had run this poll in 1990 I'm sure it would have been about 99% in the Yes camp. Guessing about reasons... what do you all think? - Software moved to the web and is funded by subscriptions, advertising, corporate behemoths, donations, or mere hope. - Free software answers a lot of people's needs, especially on HN. - Operating systems are good enough that we don't need a lo…

Yes to all of your reasons, but I think you missed the biggest one: - Many of us produce and sell software and we understand that pirating makes it harder for people like us to make a living at it.

Wasn't that true in 1990 also? Lots of hackers worked for or owned software companies, yet lots swapped disks or downloaded from BBSs as well.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#68
There are games like the new Settlers which have crazy DRM that has to be connected to the internet 24/7, even in single player mode, and there are games like Starcraft II which compel you to play online because the multiplayer experience is so good.

One of these will probably be the biggest selling PC game of the next 3 years.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#69
For the past four or five years I've been using Linux and FOSS, and I've really had no motivation to download or use unauthorized copies of anything since the free software is in virtually all cases better than the proprietary options.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#70
post #24

It's interesting that "No" is winning. If we had run this poll in 1990 I'm sure it would have been about 99% in the Yes camp. Guessing about reasons... what do you all think? - Software moved to the web and is funded by subscriptions, advertising, corporate behemoths, donations, or mere hope. - Free software answers a lot of people's needs, especially on HN. - Operating systems are good enough that we don't need a lo…

I think one factor is that the piracy scene isn't as closely connected to the hacker/maker scene as it used to be. In the 70s/80s, copy-protection cracking attracted a lot of curious hacker types as a sort of challenge problem, and lots of hackers got their start in low-level programming by stepping through a game or an app in a debugger. I think at one point all the best freely available x86 asm tutorials were written by cracking groups, so even people not really into that sort of thing would come across it as just part of the culture; it wasn't at all unusual for even legit educational textfiles to be signed with a fancy ASCII signature and 'greetz' to various handles and groups.

The demoscene came from there as well: demos were originally graphical eyecandy inserted into cracked software, and for years, cracking groups and demo groups were either the same, or had huge overlap in membership. So if you were to hang out at a HackerNews BBS in 1980 or 1990, I think there'd be a lot more rubbing shoulders with people who spent their free time cracking software and operating pirate BBSs, because they were the same people building cool things and writing the BBS equivalent of tech blog posts.

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