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And yet the company still can't afford walls.

I know a HN trope is to be anti-open-office but maybe it's better to be imitating the guys valued at 20B than the guys valued at 200k. We need a "Show me the code" équivalent for claims about business. "Show me the money" If open offices were a big factor, I'd expect private office startups to out-compete.

It exists lots of research how bad open offices are.

You could argue that the big companies could be even more successful.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15329605

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I personally love working close with my team in an open-setting. That's the reason I go to office every day even though my employer offers WFH. I just prefer turning around and asking a question or have a quick discussion. If everyone is working from home or in their personal offices, I hate having to get on a call or schedule a meeting to gather everyone to a meeting room for a quick discussion. Sure, at times it ca…

I think people need to state what kind of work they do when offering their preferences in these discussion. Some complicated development tasks require 100% uninterrupted concentration for several minutes at a time. You're sitting there trying to build and maintain an extremely complicated model in your head, involving many complex parts, and their interactions along a time line, introducing permutations of that model…

Reminds me very much of this comic: http://i.imgur.com/3uyRWGJ.jpg

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There's a lot of talk about work-life balance on HN, and I usually lean way towards the "life" end of the spectrum. For the last few years I've only been doing a couple of hours of paid work per day.

But yeah, I'd be happy to work 70 hour weeks for $3M per year.

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The thing that surprises me is that, after paying these engineers seven figures, they're still sticking them in open plan offices (as far as I can tell from the photos). Though I do know some people who can work effectively in that environment, it would be interesting to compare ever-so-slightly-cheaper engineers + a less-distracted work environment.

I worked as a contractor for a while at a company that was pretty much entirely great developers, but they had one guy who had more experience than nearly everybody else put together (he was in his 50s, and had worked on all sorts of cool things in his career), who was also more productive than anyone else. The founders of the company knew he was their top producer, and so they gave him whatever he wanted (within the…

> It's also worth nothing that he didn't put in long hours. When it was crunch time in the office, he wouldn't be one of the people there on the weekend. Paradoxically, I think that's another contributing factor to his high productivity.

I don't see how this is paradoxical. It makes just as much sense that better focused time, not "crunches", will increase productivity as the fact that offices will increase productivity. Same thing goes for telecommuting. The worship of overtime and 60, even 80 hour weeks is one of the big reasons I'm not in industry.

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Your first problem there is monetizing it. If nobody can pay for it, nobody is going to get together to make it.

Money isn't the only motivation someone can have. People write lots of open source code for free, for example.

A lot of open source work is professional paid work.

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The thing that surprises me is that, after paying these engineers seven figures, they're still sticking them in open plan offices (as far as I can tell from the photos). Though I do know some people who can work effectively in that environment, it would be interesting to compare ever-so-slightly-cheaper engineers + a less-distracted work environment.

There's also this image ( https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i2FW30Wmwe2... ) of some of their programmers doing work on their laptops which they hold, well, in their laps. After 10+ years of programming for a living I can't imagine myself typing code with elbows hanging in the air, I need to rest them on a desk while pressing the keys.

Some casual chat / browsing like that is fine, working? I can't do it.

Re: Paying top employees the highest salaries in the market

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The thing that surprises me is that, after paying these engineers seven figures, they're still sticking them in open plan offices (as far as I can tell from the photos). Though I do know some people who can work effectively in that environment, it would be interesting to compare ever-so-slightly-cheaper engineers + a less-distracted work environment.

Optimal size of team in one room is about 2 - 3 members. Any outside disturbance is likely to affect all team members. Trying to explain this to management can be very frustrating because they don't understand that coding is a focus intense task. And it does not matter if you cite research. Coincidentally, management usually have their own rooms. Some links in Swedish with Google Translate Worse working environment i…

[M]any sparrows died from exhaustion; citizens would bang pots and pans so that sparrows would not have the chance to rest on tree branches and would fall dead from the sky - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

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The thing that surprises me is that, after paying these engineers seven figures, they're still sticking them in open plan offices (as far as I can tell from the photos). Though I do know some people who can work effectively in that environment, it would be interesting to compare ever-so-slightly-cheaper engineers + a less-distracted work environment.

Some people prefer them. We used to have small open offices available. They'd seat six to ten people comfortably. If the employee wasn't okay with that, there were smaller offices with room for one or two people. Depending on which facility you were at, there were larger workspaces available that also worked for meetings and our HQ also had a larger conference room space. It worked for us. Not everyone enjoys working…

Six to ten is not an open office, those are team rooms which are fine - when you can have multiple teams in the same room, that's when you cross the threshold to an open office.

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> An equal amount of money is spent on lost elections too. That's false. There's a pretty strong correlation between outspending and winning elections. The losing side usually spent less. In aggregate, much more money is spent winning elections than losing them. eg: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/04/04/th...

> There's a pretty strong correlation between outspending and winning elections. The losing side usually spent less. In aggregate, much more money is spent winning elections than losing them. A lot of money is wasted on lost elections. I did say "equal", but my point was a lot of advertising dollars fail. Barney Frank: "If the voters have a position, the votes will kick money's rear end any time. I've never met a pol…

How does this explain the Republican party's continued support for healthcare bills with sub-25% approval ratings? Also I don't see Barney Frank, Signature Bank board member and author of a piece titled "Yes, I Took Bank Money. And It Made Me a Better Regulator" as a disinterested commentator.

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Some people prefer them. We used to have small open offices available. They'd seat six to ten people comfortably. If the employee wasn't okay with that, there were smaller offices with room for one or two people. Depending on which facility you were at, there were larger workspaces available that also worked for meetings and our HQ also had a larger conference room space. It worked for us. Not everyone enjoys working…

Six to ten is not an open office, those are team rooms which are fine - when you can have multiple teams in the same room, that's when you cross the threshold to an open office.

Ah, so it has to cross teams in order to be considered an open office? I was not aware of that requirement, thanks.
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