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Poll: Are you a software pirate?

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Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#51
This poll is rubbish. "Are you a software pirate?" -- completely loaded question. You're not asking people if they use copyrighted software-- you're asking people to label themselves a PIRATE. Maybe I'll submit a poll about abortion "Are you a baby murderer?"

Maybe you should rewrite the poll "Do you believe in a free culture unencumbered by copyright laws that are specifically written to protect corporate interests?"

All this goes to show how much our language about copyright has been affected by the media and corporate interests.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#52
When I was younger: Yes. Games, software, videos, etc..

Now: No on software. No on games. Besides the risk of virii, you dont get things like updates or patches. Its not worth it.

However, I still do actively download TV Shows + Movies occasionally. Its not because I wouldnt pay though, but moreso because there is no other ways to watch them from home.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#53
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I actually voted both yes and no, since I do pirate software, but only software I own. I don't consider it piracy, because it doesn't impact anyone's ability to make a living off of it (it usually just saves support costs) but the law sees it differently. Also I did pirate a game from the early 90's because I couldn't figure out where to send a check. http://downloadgameonline.blogspot.com/2008/08/enchantasy-qu... Ac…

"Pirate your own software"? I don't think that would count as piracy. If you own the copyright on it, or own the company that owns the copyright, or run the company that owns the copyright, then surely you can copy it as many times as you want. How could it be possible to view any copying of that as 'piracy'.

I think he means installing software he's purchased on multiple computers.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#54
Same as many others here. Copied a lot of stuff when I was a teenager (had 200+ floppies of BBS warez - those were the days...). Now I migrated to Linux completely and I don't really need any commercial apps. I buy some games once in a while though (World of Goo lately) and some music CDs.

These days I see the problem games producers face: When I wanted to play games, my parents would have to buy me one, and they wouldn't be keen to do that. Now that I'd happily buy a game which I really like, I'm not interested anymore.

The other problem is about apps - it's in company's best interest to give me (for example) a copy of Visual Studio as soon as I say I'm interested in it. Since I couldn't get it, I learned on djgpp and migrated to Linux as soon as I could. Now you can get new VS from MSDNA program at universities - I think it's still way too late.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#56
My country (Uruguay) has some retarded laws that means that even if you purchase a valid copy of a software program from the US it's not a "legal" copy (my father found out the hard way that the Norton license he had bought in the US was not "legal").

And no, there are no legal ways to buy several programs - meanwhile piracy is unofficially tolerated by the government (there are shops that sell pirated versions of games and other software - not MS stuff or other companies with local presence). I do have every Microsoft program I use legally for instance (as they are available locally).

There are also several other grievances (think DVD region selection and all that) which strongly discourage purchasing software.

I tend to believe that I wouldn't have any illegal program if I lived in the US.

Edit: fittingly, I've had a (legal) copy of a game I purchased for a friend just detained at customs (used to be you could make small purchases without it winding up at customs, but it isn't so anymore). So some very nice paperwork and fees coming up - just for trying to be legal.

I'm not sure if Steam is legal here, but I wouldn't bet for it (it's probably a gray area and it should be OK)

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#57
I pirated an enormous amount of software (mostly games) as a kid for the Apple //e; there was a thriving gift culture around that kind of thing back then, and it seemed "normal". I grew out of that, but now I use open source software almost exclusively for my personal and professional day-to-day. There are very few pieces of software I've paid money for (directly; clients and employers are a different story), and most of them are in the "distractions" camp (iPhone games, indie titles for Linux).

That being said, there are a few pieces of commercial software I've used in the past for which there are no serious viable open source competitor, nor do I expect the level of interest in those areas to rise to the occasion. One example is IDA Pro; it's possibly the worst user UI I've ever had the displeasure of using, and yet there's nothing that comes even close to competing in it's niche. It's expensive, especially if you need support for an obscure processor, because the market for it is so small; but, if your day-to-day involves reverse engineering, it's worth every penny.

At one time, I'll admit that I had access to a pirated version of it; the price presents a significant barrier for an enthusiast, and a casual search of any torrent site will turn it up. It was easy to obtain. There's two things I took away from that.

First, I felt guilty about it, as I know Hex Rays (the company behind IDA Pro) is really only a couple of exceptionally dedicated folks who haven't priced their product the way they have to screw me, but because it was the only way to make it viable at all. There's two major users of IDA: reverse engineering professionals who won't have a problem with the price, and black hats who won't pay for it at any price. The price is, therefore, what it has to be to assure continued development, and I think most reasonable people can see that.

Second, I realized that the functionality I was using was only a small fraction of the whole product, so I implemented what was necessary for myself (in this case, an SH2 disassembler), and eliminated the guilt: the rest of the features were nice to have (multi-arch support, decent navigation, awesome graphing, x86 de-compilation support, etc), they weren't nice enough to warrant $1000 for what amounts to a hobby for me. I haven't used IDA since, and learned a lot about building an intelligent disassembler.

I see a few other products in this niche: Solidworks, Pro/E, MasterCam, and to a much lesser extent, certain pieces of Photoshop and the VMware ecosystems. All vertical-market applications that average folks don't need, but hobbyists would love to have access to (but are stopped by the price). In both the Photoshop and VMware cases, hobbyist-level versions have emerged (Photoshop Elements, VMware Server/Player, etc.) as a direct reaction to open source software eating away at that hobbyist market that builds their brand (GIMP, Xen, KVM, etc). In the cases of software like Pro/E, no such reasonable competition exists, so the pricing is what it is, and the hobbyist be damned.

I'm not sure if I'm actually going anywhere with this little story (other than incriminating myself, and probably assuring that I'll never be able to legally procure a copy of IDA at some point in the future), but perhaps someone can glean something useful from it.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#58
I pirate all TV shows and films becase:

- I prefer storing on my HDD than in DVDs

- Living in the UK, it's the only way to get the TV shows I want to watch without waiting ages and ages after their air

- It lets me watch the beginning on shows/films I wouldn't otherwise bother trying, then decide if I want to keep watching them.

If I find a film that I actually enjoy and watch to the end, I do then buy it on DVD - but rarely watch the DVD, having already got the pirated copy. (I find now days I rarely watch films, more TV shows). I do have a TV license (in the UK) even though I only really watch TV shows that are ripped/downloaded.

Games - despite working in the games industry, I very rarely buy games (maybe a couple of titles a year), but I don't ever pirate them.

Software - I'm always happy to grab an illegal copy if a.) I want to see if I like it and there's no free trial available or b.) I want to learn what the software does, but won't use it after a couple of days.

For example I pirated Adobe Photoshop when I first got it and just messaged around with it. Once I started needing to use it for my job (not that I use it that often, or am any good with it) I bought a license.

With small software that doesn't have any real backing, even if I end up not using it much, I tend to pay for it if I like it, just to support the developer. (Examples: XChat, an IRC client, or UberTweet, a twitter application for the Blackberry).

I've just actually looked through all the installed programs on this computer, all legal.

Music, pretty much same as above - will download illegally first to see if I like it, if I want it in my regular collection then I buy it on iTunes (exception: if iTunes doesn't have it, or if it's only available in the US store which I can't use, I'll just keep the illegal version - except if I particularly want to support the artist in which case I buy/rip the CD)

So yeah, I answered "yes" to the poll, but (with the exception of TV shows) I keep it in moderation.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#59
I pay all mac software and use mainly linux as main operating system. For microsoft and big corporation such as adobe, I don't care about downloading illegal stuff. However, for small companies, I'm happy to pay for it if it's a good software.

Re: Poll: Are you a software pirate?

#60

This poll is rubbish. "Are you a software pirate?" -- completely loaded question. You're not asking people if they use copyrighted software-- you're asking people to label themselves a PIRATE. Maybe I'll submit a poll about abortion "Are you a baby murderer?" Maybe you should rewrite the poll "Do you believe in a free culture unencumbered by copyright laws that are specifically written to protect corporate interests?…

I can't imagine there being anyone on HN who reads this poll and thinks "well I am always downloading software/films/etc illegally, but I certainly wouldn't call myself a pirate, so I'll vote no!"

It's not comparable to the abortion idea, because being called a "baby murderer" is pretty offensive, whereas being called a "software pirate" really isn't ever going to offend anyone who does download illegaly (many of which would most likely already refer to themselves as pirates).

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