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In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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Worth re-iterating: The American Red Cross and the International Committee of the Red Cross are independent organizations, with very different reputations.

Care to expand on this? Edit: Based on the downvotes, I'm guessing I wasn't really clear what I was going for - I hadn't heard about the International Committee before, so I was looking for some more information about how they differ.

The structure of the international red cross movement is a bit confusing. There are completely independent national societies in most countries (E.g. The American Red Cross), as well international organisations based in Geneva (The ICRC and the IFCR).

In the US, the phrase "Red Cross" often is used to refer to "American Red Cross", which is the national society who deliver blood services and local disaster response. They've come under some criticism for apparent lack of transparency around how donations are spent, and for allegedly having very high overheads.

The IFRC (International Federation) is an international organisation that facilitates cooperation between the independent national societies.

The ICRC (International Committee) is a large international organisation whose mandate derives from the Geneva Convention, and whose work is focussed on armed conflict. They work with war casualties, prisoners of war, refugees, civilian victims of all forms, on any and all sides of conflict. They also help coordinate disaster relief in lots of cases just because they have the organisational ability to do it. In my opinion they're among the most trustworthy organisations that you could give to.

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to expand on this? Edit: Based on the downvotes, I'm guessing I wasn't really clear what I was going for - I hadn't heard about the International Committee before, so I was looking for some more information about how they differ.

The structure of the international red cross movement is a bit confusing. There are completely independent national societies in most countries (E.g. The American Red Cross), as well international organisations based in Geneva (The ICRC and the IFCR). In the US, the phrase "Red Cross" often is used to refer to " American Red Cross ", which is the national society who deliver blood services and local disaster response…

Thank you! That's the perfect tl;dr (too long; didn't research?) I was looking for

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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A plug for New Story ( https://newstorycharity.org/ ), which has built 900+ homes in Haiti for $6000 in donations each. And they think a lot about building those homes into functional communities.

Thanks, Trevor. Hi all, I'm the ceo and co-founder at New Story. We're proud of the work we've done in Haiti as we've also used all local material and local labor to build the homes. What's more transparent than just the "100%" promise, is that we prove to donors via family profile pages and move-in videos the exact results of their donation.

If someone donated $6k on our site now, 100% of that goes towards local materials cost, labor, and sometimes the land for the home.

We have a separate bank account to fund salaries, R&D, etc. Therefore, donors have the option to give directly to a home/family (which we show you the digital profile of that family and a move-in video), or a donor can choose to give to our "Builders fund" that covers salaries, R&D, travel, etc. We ask for minimum donations of $25k/ for 3 years to join the Builders fund.

I completely understand the "marketing scheme" some have mentioned. We really don't view it that way. If someone gives to homes, it's absolutely restricted to go towards building homes. If a donor gives specifically to an innovation project we're working on, their donation is restricted towards that project.

Happy to answer any other questions.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3058514/did-this-new-nonprofit-c...

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It means everyone donating knows what their money is going to. If you want 100% of if to go to houses, it will.

Exactly, it is about transparency. You get to choose what it is used for and they follow through.

This is right. We, of course, use both bank accounts for overall efficiency. What's important to know is that donors are able to: a) Choose exactly what they want to give towards b) Donors see the family profile and move-in video that their donation was allocated to. This holds us accountable and shows results to the donor.

example: https://impact.newstorycharity.org/families/SV-FC-AHUACHAPAN...

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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I'd say it's sad, but not surprising. People are sheep.

I wouldn't go that far - companies partner with The Red Cross left and right after every major disaster, and the mainstream media downplays the problems with the organization. For the average person, there's no reason to suspect that they'd be misusing/misappropriating funds.

So what exactly are the problems with the Red Cross?

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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It's astounding how powerful the Red Cross brand is. I'd like to read a study how how much the brand influences donors. For example, try to raise money using identical mechanisms under a different header. Also, I liked this: "I'm not a big mathematician, but I can make some additions. It doesn't add up for me."

Are you conflating The American Red Cross and The International Commiteee of the Red Cross? I have in the past, and they are very different.

No I'm referring to the Red Cross discussed in this thread's article.

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Legit question - what's the alternative?

There are a few organizations that try to quantitatively evaluate charitable organizations and similar- notably (and off the top of my head), CharityWatch [1]. Donating based on their metrics (although not the irrefutable truth of the matter, likely enough) is likely to lead to better "returns" from a donation than going by brand/marketing power. Notably, despite its prominence, Red Cross scores only a "B+" rating on…

The B+ rating seems to be at odds with the amount of vitriol being spewed at Red Cross in this thread.

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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Ask the Clintons

Since you provide no links, one must assume that you are motivated by a vague awareness of controversies tied to the Clinton Foundation. However, these controversies do not involve Haiti or missing money, and for balance I suggest readers look at last fall´s and recent comparisons of the controversies surrounding Clinton and Trump associated charitable activities

https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=comparing+clinton+trump+c... and https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=comparing+clinton+trump+c...

eg

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/498154413/theres-really-no-com...

and

https://www.google.com.mx/search?q=comparing+clinton+trump+c...

eg

http://fortune.com/2017/09/17/trump-inaugural-donations-miss...

Re: In Search Of The Red Cross' $500M In Haiti Relief (2015)

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A plug for New Story ( https://newstorycharity.org/ ), which has built 900+ homes in Haiti for $6000 in donations each. And they think a lot about building those homes into functional communities.

Thanks, Trevor. Hi all, I'm the ceo and co-founder at New Story. We're proud of the work we've done in Haiti as we've also used all local material and local labor to build the homes. What's more transparent than just the "100%" promise, is that we prove to donors via family profile pages and move-in videos the exact results of their donation. If someone donated $6k on our site now, 100% of that goes towards local mat…

What's the biggest challenge your organization faces?

My kneejerk reaction is: local labor!? local materials!? So inefficient! But I'm wrong. You're doing exactly what's needed; bootstrapping skills and contributing towards the local economy.

I'm curious how much housing is still needed in Haiti, how much more money into the pipeline would fix the problem, etc. Would you be able to scale beyond Haiti? Sorry to ramble, love the mission!

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That's just bucket A and bucket B right? Like, the money going towards operations is still donated. The page about the operations money even puts it in terms of having 2 bank accounts: https://newstorycharity.org/the-builders/ So fine, they are able to advertise that they are spending 100% of certain funds on programs. But it is just a marketing gimmick, they still have some overall efficiency, just like any other ch…

It's similar to the difference between opex and capex. You can call it a marketing gimmick, but 100% of the money put into capex is capex, at least according to the page you linked.

The hygienic accounting doesn't change whatever the overall efficiency is.

(a sibling comment to yours points out that the separate accounting can help create good incentives, which could well be the case, but looking backward, there is still an efficiency that can be calculated and compared to other charities)

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