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How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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I remember reading this when it first came out and reminded me of my own run in with DFS right around the same time. Stopping real child abuse is important, but the system is so lopsided that merely being accused makes you the criminal. People spread the rumor of you being investigated by DFS, they don't spread the rumor of you being cleared.

My run-in was no where near as large of scale, but aggrivating, humiliating, time wasting, and ridiculous. I'm no hippy journalist letting my kids run free, basically just your run of the mill suburbanite developer 8-to-5 schmoe and my wife is a Special Ed teacher . One day, we come home from work to find that DFS had tried to visit and that we must call back with a time we can be interviewed. At the time, we had a six year old and a less than 1 year old. Someone had reported us for child abuse. It was like a record scratch. What? I don't hit my kids. My oldest went to a private school. I spent plenty of time with them. Our #1 fear is leaving them somewhere so my wife watches them like a hawk. It made no sense.

We called back and an agent came by the next day. We tried to leave our oldest at school because at that age, he would babble about what was happening and other parents would find out and the stigma would be set. But she demanded to see him, so my wife went and got him while I got the 5th degree. We were accused of some stuff that seemed hilariously lame.

* We made our son pee in a dollhouse toilet and just left it there full. --- Uh, yeah, one day we found it in the back of his room behind the shelf. We think he did it and hid it. Kids do weird things. * We let our oldest run around screaming and being reckless and has untreated ADHD. -- Yeah, he has ADHD, he's took Ritalin since he was 5 and is now on Adderall. * Our home is unsafe with rotten food all over. -- Yes, my wife is messy, but not to the level of fire hazard or health violation. Rotten food? You mean like having cans from last night's dinner still next to the stove? * And numerous other things like this...

After being checked out, she said that it was most likely a false report and that it would most likely be dropped, but the file stays around permanently and that we can't find out who made the report.

Of course, our son blabbed about the experience, and now even 5 years later, none of his school friend's parents let their kids come over to our house because the original rumor. No one makes false claims, right?

I figured out who made the report through the neighborhood network. Some old guy across the street who was mad that I left the trashcans out on the front of my home instead of the side and one time when I had let our grass grow too long because every night that I got home from work and all weekend for 3 weeks it had rained a crap-ton. I still catch him taking pictures of our house to call the Neighborhood Preservation office with when I let the slightest thing go wrong. (ie, a storm gutter fell off over the night and I didn't notice until I got home from work that evening)

The worst part is, there is little you can do. Everything is "anonymous". You can't hire a lawyer to go and tell this guy to piss off. Retaliation would be stupid. You are just "stuck".

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

#132

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The problem with that avenue is that this sort of agency is very vengeful and they have the power to make your life very miserable. So if after you've won your injunction they find half an excuse to 'intervene' again they'll definitely do so. It's rare that I would advocate to just let it be but in this case that would seem to me to be the safest option. Pick your battles.

How is accusing them of negligence going to generate more evidence against you? If no-one stands up to this organization this sort of thing is going to continue to happen.

Absolutely, it's just that since they're not going to change their ways because of specific individuals taking action it is probably more effective (and less costly) to take this on by people that have no direct stake in the results. That means a platform that is widely carried instead of individual cases against individual persons or the entity as a whole.

So it doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up, pick your battles literally means that you decide on the battleground and make sure they can't get back at you in some sneaky way that will upset your life in ways that you probably really wouldn't care about. See some of the other stories in this thread about how those things go.

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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I had a similar run in with DCF, not for child pornography but for accusations of child abuse. I helped out a high school friend who had become a heroin addict (I had no idea what I was getting into), by letting his family and himself live with me while he tried to recover. It ended up that this was a common scam with him and his wife and they use a sob story to get friends to help them out and once they wear out the…

DCF is a really problematic thing. I completely understand where you're coming from and we've had people close to us under false investigation from family services and it's a pretty bad gig. They act like everything you say is such an absurd lie and that you're just waiting for them to walk away so that you can start slamming your children into the floor again. It is really sad that they can't use common sense. But a…

"Think of the children" is not a good enough argument anymore. I used to work with social workers a lifetime ago, and the IRS-like you are guilty without a trial harassment is all too real. Combine this with it being a government position with bad metrics and some people who really got into social work to save themselves instead of their client, it is a recipe for disaster.

The biggest problem with reform is the unions and professions that make a lot of money on the current system. Until we can change the evaluation, metrics, and tenure; I really don't think there is any hope. My only bit of advice is to get a lawyer as soon as any possible dealing happen. Don't ever believe the "you don't need one" line. Your life and family is at stake and it is much easier to go after the people who were trying to help as opposed to the person getting "one more chance".

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with that avenue is that this sort of agency is very vengeful and they have the power to make your life very miserable. So if after you've won your injunction they find half an excuse to 'intervene' again they'll definitely do so. It's rare that I would advocate to just let it be but in this case that would seem to me to be the safest option. Pick your battles.

Bingo, I live in mortal fear of DCF and our next encounter (that how crazy the paranoia is). I pray every day, even now, that I am off their radar. I don't want anything to do with them. I don't want their money (I have exited 3 start-ups, I have enough, I am not FU rich but enough that I don't want to bring their heat). I just want to give them a wide birth and stay away from them.

I've seen these people operate up close (fortunately not regarding my kids, but kids of close friends) and they do more damage than good for all the 'best intentions' (assuming they have those).

What bugs me most is that these institutions seems to be staffed mostly with people that have no children, go figure...

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with that avenue is that this sort of agency is very vengeful and they have the power to make your life very miserable. So if after you've won your injunction they find half an excuse to 'intervene' again they'll definitely do so. It's rare that I would advocate to just let it be but in this case that would seem to me to be the safest option. Pick your battles.

How is accusing them of negligence going to generate more evidence against you? If no-one stands up to this organization this sort of thing is going to continue to happen.

It is different when you have kids. I don't know your situation (if you have kids), but the threat of taking my kids, trumps the need for social justice (just telling the truth). If I have to stand so be it, but I will turn tail and run when it comes to my kids and their well-being. Principals only go so far when it involves my kids. Because my principals tell me that it is my kids above all else. Fighting them risks my kids and that is not something I am willing to do.

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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I've read just over 30 pages of the comments on Salon to this story, and undoubtedly I'll read many more. My main observation is that most of the commenters seem to be sensible people who do understand what parenting is like, and how kids really act. Thank _God_. But some of the other comments just make me facepalm terrifically. Legally, I'm going to be an adult within the month. I'm certainly not a parent, but I am…

Giving these decidedly private photos to a public agency to develop was an absolutely stupid thing to do

But that's the way we used to live. Before digital, very few of us could develop our own film. Just like most of us buy our beer at a store rather than making it- and therefore some agency could get a handle on how much we consume. In the future this may look like a stupid thing to do, but now it's all we really have and nobody thinks about it twice. My parents had no alternative to developing the pictures of me at a store.

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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I think his lawyer failed him No he did not, this is not court, you have no right to due process. Your rights are considered secondary to the rights of the children given that you are in question you can not by nature be the child advocate. The DCF (whoever your states agency is) takes that role. So they get to decide if a lawyer is present or not for child questioning, etc. All you really can get from a lawyer in th…

I have no idea if this is settled law or not, but in this instance where the DCF is causing irreparable harm to both the children and the parents it seems a court's intervention could at least be asked for, i.e. file an injunction on the investigation or something to that effect. I'm not a lawyer but I don't think I would feel right just sitting back and being a passive message-passer for the DCF while they destroy m…

It is complicated and I don't remember all the in's and outs, you can try to get in front of a judge and have him rule that you can provide funding for an independent 3rd party lawyer. He cannot be the same as your defense. But you have to show cause which I remember my lawyer saying that it was hard to do. My lawyer in the end was right you just have to show them that you are not easy to pick on and they will move on. They need to make their numbers and if they spend too much time on you, they miss other opportunities. It is a war of attrition in which you have a severe psychological disadvantage.

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

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post #13

I had a similar run in with DCF, not for child pornography but for accusations of child abuse. I helped out a high school friend who had become a heroin addict (I had no idea what I was getting into), by letting his family and himself live with me while he tried to recover. It ended up that this was a common scam with him and his wife and they use a sob story to get friends to help them out and once they wear out the…

I wonder what is with those brownie points? Do they transform into big buck$?

Increased budget next year.

Re: How to Destroy Someone's Life or They called me a child pornographer

#140

I remember reading this when it first came out and reminded me of my own run in with DFS right around the same time. Stopping real child abuse is important, but the system is so lopsided that merely being accused makes you the criminal. People spread the rumor of you being investigated by DFS, they don't spread the rumor of you being cleared. My run-in was no where near as large of scale, but aggrivating, humiliating…

Neighbors can be the worst people.

You think you bought your dream house, and someone moves in next door who is a total nightmare and makes you feel completely trapped and miserable.

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