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Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by Oletros »

darthdev wrote: post #46
grimborg wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self determination is a human right. It is not unlawful, and a referendum about it isn’t either. If a certain law doesn’t allow for it, the law is wrong. Of course, Spain is also calling thoroughly pacific demonstrations “tumultuous” so that they can accuse politicians of sedition, so Spain clearly doesn’t care about truth and law.

Secession is in fact illegal in most of the world countries (if not all). Auto-determination is a right recognized in the UN for regions under colonial rule. Catalonia is not a region under colonial rule, and in fact the UN does not recognize the right of auto-determination of Catalonia (Source in Spanish from a newspaper from Catalonia: http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ba... ). Is the law is…

> In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain".

That blackmail has not used never. If you think so, provide just one example.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by Oletros »

pera wrote: post #45
faragon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mirrored, without problem: https://onvotar.garantiespelreferendum.com/on-votar/index.ht... I don't know if the EFF is aware that the site has citizen personal information without permission. Who protects us as citizens against rebel regional government putting online private information against the rule of law?

The mirrors I checked didn't include that section (@1506104335). Instead they said: > Shortly the Government will release the details on the polling stations to be used for the 1st October Referendum.

The mirror includes all the data and it gives you the place to vote after entering your NIF and age.

Time to denunce to AEPD

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by enriquto »

faragon wrote: post #50
enriquto wrote: post #39

It is interesting to note that Assange and Snowden seem very interested in the catalan issue these last days. https://mobile.twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/911226994846... https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/910888878948700160

According to El Pais (first Spanish generalist -i.e. non-sports- newspaper in audience), the Russian intelligence is behind the support to Catalan separatists, like before pushed for the Brexit, Trump, and Le Pen: https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/09/22/actualidad/1...

I understand that many people here dislike El Pais; but please, do not link continuously at their most outrageusly ridiculous articles. There are still reasonable writers there. Not many, of course, but they are still there.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by darthdev »

Oletros wrote: post #51
darthdev wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Secession is in fact illegal in most of the world countries (if not all). Auto-determination is a right recognized in the UN for regions under colonial rule. Catalonia is not a region under colonial rule, and in fact the UN does not recognize the right of auto-determination of Catalonia (Source in Spanish from a newspaper from Catalonia: http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20151030/54438498099/ba... ). Is the law is…

> In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". That blackmail has not used never. If you think so, provide just one example.

If I remember correctly, this started because the opposition party at the moment (PP) appeal at the constitutional court the "estatut".

If you ask me, I think that was a political (dirty) movement to gain some votes. But the point here is that since some Catalans didn't like the court resolution, they started this "blackmail": "either you accept the estatut or we will secede". We are now at the threat of secession.

Note that the quoted texts are not literal phrases said by anyone, it is just to clarify my point.

You asked one example, here is one. There are many other examples of laws passed in the Spanish congress with the support of Catalan parties in exchange of political favors.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by Oletros »

darthdev wrote: post #54
Oletros wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In fact this kind of "blackmail" has been used consistently in Catalonia for years: "If you don't vote this bill, we will secede from Spain". That blackmail has not used never. If you think so, provide just one example.

If I remember correctly, this started because the opposition party at the moment (PP) appeal at the constitutional court the "estatut". If you ask me, I think that was a political (dirty) movement to gain some votes. But the point here is that since some Catalans didn't like the court resolution, they started this "blackmail": "either you accept the estatut or we will secede". We are now at the threat of secession. N…

Eh, no, the ones disactivating the Estatut where the PP and CiU (the one doing all the shit now) to fuck off the Tripartit

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by snvzz »

What happened here:

- judge told .cat TLD to take over some domains, setting them to display a spanish police landing page.

- .cat complied.

- Judge told .cat TLD to censor any domain that does support the referendum in any way.

- .cat replied that they run a TLD, that it's not their job to act as a censorship agency, inspecting each domain and disabling those that host websites that talk about topics that a judge specified are forbidden.

- .cat notified the ICANN of the situation they're in: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/lineros...

- police raided the TLD office, and arrested its CTO at his home.

Re: .Cat Domain a Casualty in Catalonian Independence Crackdown

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Post by snvzz »

Oletros wrote: post #26
fabianmg wrote: post #8

The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. So saying: > "If such content is unlawful, a court order directed to the publisher or host of that content is the appropriate way for authorities to deal with that illegality, rather than the blanket removal of entire domains from the Internet." Is simply put, bulshit. A court ordered taking down illegal…

> The .cat domain was seized because the organization in charge of the domain IGNORED the orders issued by a JUDGE. What orders ignored? Do you have any link to newspapers? And, by the way, PuntCAT is a TLD register, they don't host any site. Do you know other case where the TLD registar has been seized? Domains are blocked via ISP's, the publisher or the hosting.

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