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Re: Volkswagen's New Camper Has a Loft Where You Can Stargaze

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Post by OneTimePaddy » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:49 AM UTC

spaceflunky wrote: post #40

lafar6502 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electro vehicles hysteria is much worse for the environment than some diesels spewing a bit more Nox than expected. Vw made a huge mistake because their engines are among the most fuel efficient on the market and now they got all the blame and punishment. Most cars have much worse emissions than the cheating Vw models

While you're right in that the extra nox might not be that bad in the scheme of things, what irks me is that they systematically lied and they also actively marketed AGAINST hybrids and other clean technologies based upon falsified data.

Is systemmatically hiding that most E Vehicles drive with Coal and/or Fukushima-fuel that much better. The whole debate of e-vehicles versus traditional vehicles is heavily warped.

Im actually for a easily visible sign wethr a vehicle drives with some nature friendly fuel- or the oppossite. Also, what has this debate to do with anything- this is a concept car- it could be e or tradfuel.

Re: Volkswagen's New Camper Has a Loft Where You Can Stargaze

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Post by grzm » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 6:56 AM UTC

OneTimePaddy wrote: post #41

spaceflunky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you're right in that the extra nox might not be that bad in the scheme of things, what irks me is that they systematically lied and they also actively marketed AGAINST hybrids and other clean technologies based upon falsified data.

Is systemmatically hiding that most E Vehicles drive with Coal and/or Fukushima-fuel that much better. The whole debate of e-vehicles versus traditional vehicles is heavily warped. Im actually for a easily visible sign wethr a vehicle drives with some nature friendly fuel- or the oppossite. Also, what has this debate to do with anything- this is a concept car- it could be e or tradfuel.

I understand what you're saying. At the same time, electric vehicles can be powered by electricity generated from any number of sources while ICE vehicles require carbon-based fuels. Even when the electricity is generated from carbon-based sources, those power plants can be located strategically (e.g., away from heavily populated areas), can be run more efficiently (e.g., at peak efficiency for power generation rather than at varying efficiencies in vehicles), and have better pollution controls.

Re: Volkswagen's New Camper Has a Loft Where You Can Stargaze

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Post by Terretta » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 9:54 AM UTC

gjem97 wrote: post #23

This is my new least favorite sport: speaking about concept vehicles in the present tense. "has sophisticated features ... has space for a sink ... includes an LCD projector" Oh wait. "The California XXL is still in the concept stage." Now there's correct usage of the present tense. Concept cars come to market approximately 0% of the time. In the rare cases that they do actually make it to market (many many years lat…

“Concept cars come to market approximately 0% of the time.”

Depends, we really enjoyed our Isuzu Vehicross:

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/97/229602594_94651a28a3_b.jp...

Anyone could buy, they were not hard to come by, despite incredibly limited runs, a thousand a year for a model, tops, some models as low as 50:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_VehiCROSS#Production_d...

Very tough, well built, you can still see them on the road.

Re: Volkswagen's New Camper Has a Loft Where You Can Stargaze

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Post by spaceflunky » Sun, Sep 24, 2017, 6:31 PM UTC

OneTimePaddy wrote: post #41

spaceflunky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While you're right in that the extra nox might not be that bad in the scheme of things, what irks me is that they systematically lied and they also actively marketed AGAINST hybrids and other clean technologies based upon falsified data.

Is systemmatically hiding that most E Vehicles drive with Coal and/or Fukushima-fuel that much better. The whole debate of e-vehicles versus traditional vehicles is heavily warped. Im actually for a easily visible sign wethr a vehicle drives with some nature friendly fuel- or the oppossite. Also, what has this debate to do with anything- this is a concept car- it could be e or tradfuel.

Speak for yourself. I power my vehicle through my solar panels and so will most electric owners eventually.