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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

It's also useful for cheaper & faster cross border remittances for the common person. For the common person paypal's %3+ currency exchange fees is more expensive than the equivalent %0.5-%1 in fees you get from a 2 bitcoin exchanges. And it's far faster since everything moves at the speed of local deposits & withdraws.

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I think that the cryptocurrency/blockchain space is the next big thing in the world on-par with the internet. But it still has a long way to go. In the late 90s you could say "X on the internet" and get tons of investment. Now it's the same but with "X on the blockchain". We are going through growing pains now, and there definitely needs to be some regulation introduced to curb the many scams. My personal hope though is that the regulators work, not to try to stop this industry, but rather to shape it. I mean, why do I need to make $1M/year in order to prove to the US government that I'm worthy of investing into a startup. This is why ICOs are such a big thing right now for westerners, it circumvents that (and internationally, it allows people that would have otherwise not had any route to do such a thing). But there definitely needs to be some regulation behind that, because it's ridiculously easy to make a sleek marketing page that says "buy now and the price will go up later"... and people will buy into it.

Also, this quote:

> using cryptocurrency networks are cheaper to send money overseas than Western Union. No, it probably is not

Uhh, maybe not in some narrow cases (especially as pointed out in the source, for people that need to use cash agents or are unbankable), but for many people I know including myself, it is significantly cheaper to use bitcoin rather than Western Union (source: I receive my salary in bitcoin based on spot price tied to USD)

(disclaimer: co-founder of a blockchain project)

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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

It's also useful for cheaper & faster cross border remittances for the common person. For the common person paypal's %3+ currency exchange fees is more expensive than the equivalent %0.5-%1 in fees you get from a 2 bitcoin exchanges. And it's far faster since everything moves at the speed of local deposits & withdraws.

If you had traded BTC cross border at the wrong time last week, you could have lost 5-15% in value based on the prevailing market price during the time it took the transfer to settle and the coins to move onto an exchange and sell.

BTC is in practice a speculative security. Not a currency.

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Most cryptos are definitely pump and dump ponzis designed to eat your money, there is definitely a technocracy-like barrier for entry if you want to join the crypto bandwagon. Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism.

Upvoted because this advice directly makes me money ;)

hahah xD This is actually really funny

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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

You can buy perfectly lawful things at perfectly lawful places. I'd say that is a legitimate use?

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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

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There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation. Besides maybe a very risky (as in unpredictable value on delivery) method of money transfer. It is and has always been a criminal and launderer toy. I am very excited by progress in Ethereum and see it as a model for a better way forward. Though I do not trust its maintainers and community to build a secure and reliable system. There ha…

> There is still no legitimate use of bitcoin beyond niche markets and speculation

You are making me laugh about your ignorance, sorry for my pedantry but... if my company in Argentina receives an international wire transfer from a customer in my HSBC account, it will be less money than if I receive the Bitcoins and exchange it via https://bitex.la/ , and deposit it to the same HSBC account. Both process follow all the tax regulations and are legal.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also useful for cheaper & faster cross border remittances for the common person. For the common person paypal's %3+ currency exchange fees is more expensive than the equivalent %0.5-%1 in fees you get from a 2 bitcoin exchanges. And it's far faster since everything moves at the speed of local deposits & withdraws.

If you had traded BTC cross border at the wrong time last week, you could have lost 5-15% in value based on the prevailing market price during the time it took the transfer to settle and the coins to move onto an exchange and sell. BTC is in practice a speculative security. Not a currency.

Now if your goal was simply to circumvent overseas capital transfer limits and legal limitations, that fee might be "worth it."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

protip: Ethereum can be used by criminals too, not just Bitcoin. Though, I'm curious (not trolling), why is Ethereum's model a better way forward? Are you talking about smart contracts or what?

The smart contract model makes it useful beyond just "purchasing things" (as the unimaginative would say. Yes that's a dig at you senatorobama). The EVM (despite it's implementation flaws) makes it's uses practically limitless. Bitcoin...is an impractical, user-unfriendly first mover. Ethereum is the flawed second mover (ok, I'm discounting all the silly coins in between). I'm honestly not sure who the ultimate winne…

I'm involved, in this space and agree. Though to play devil's advocate, smart contracts (especially since Ethereum is soon adding zk-snarks) also allow for more sophisticated ways to commit crimes. But yes, I definitely think that smart contracts are the next move forward for this space. Dumb money transfer is a really awesome thing, but it's also quite small. Bitcoin does have some smart contract-ish functionality, but it's incredibly difficult to use, and so is for the most part useless outside of niche applications.

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Most cryptos are definitely pump and dump ponzis designed to eat your money, there is definitely a technocracy-like barrier for entry if you want to join the crypto bandwagon. Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism.

>Focus your time and energy on BTC, ETH and an anonymous coin like XMR. Any other offering should be met with skepticism.

To elaborate/explain on this point for those less familiar: those three cryptocurrencies actually are based on real technical innovation, and have developer communities producing more technical innovation. There are many other cryptocurrencies that have zero technical innovation (or completely nonsense innovation) and are merely clones of previous cryptocurrencies with some identifiers tweaked, made purely so investors can pump and dump.

The article in part 5 ("The decline of Maximalism") seems to be criticizing the idea that people would prefer some cryptocurrencies to others, which is completely ridiculous. There are real differences / issues with many.

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