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New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by Dylan16807 »

otakucode wrote: post #50
hashmal wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sexual responsibility" is quite an odd concept, it should be defined more precisely.

Children are the property of their fathers. Preserving the value of that property through preserving the virginal status of females is the responsibility of both sons and daughters. For a son to have sex with the daughter of another man, both the daughter and that boy have committed a property crime against the girls father. If she gets pregnant, he will never be able to get as big of a dowry when he sells her into m…

Totally impossible for a term like "responsible" to have multiple meanings.

Obviously people mean the economic term. Couldn't possibly be the everyday meaning.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by rosege »

KGIII wrote: post #160
dna_polymerase wrote: post #127

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Sure, The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is used for tax evasion, supporting corporate interest in developing countries and to control the WHO. https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/sites/default/files/files/r... They even advised not to lower prices for vaccines, because then pharma corporations wouldn't invest in the global south anymore.

If you have evidence of tax evasion, I'm sure the tax authorities would love to hear about it.

I guess they mean tax avoidance

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by jk2323 »

MechEStudent wrote: post #93

HIV evolves with amazing (super-villian-ic) speed. Many "cures" attack 99% of cells, or similar. Resistance is evolved during treatment, and is usually uniform within just a few months. It mutates/evolves so fast that given just virus samples, it is possible to determine sequence of infection. I think it needs to kill more than 6-9's before it has a good chance at being a cure.

While your argument has some validity, the statement said "New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains" not "New antibody attacks 99% of HI Viri (of a given strain)". The mutation would have to occur faster than the virus dies off.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by rosege »

vtange wrote: post #15
soneca wrote: post #6

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I disagree. I (annedoctally) heard several times stories about how today's youth (~20yo) doing more unprotected sex than my generation (~35yo) only because HIV "does not kill anymore" . If AIDS is actually curable, I would bet that all other STD would explode in the short term

Isn't there a lot of talk about how today's youth is much less likely to date/engage in sexual activity? So what you're saying is, they don't always have sex, but when they do it's unprotected? That sounds pretty normal to me.

I'm at the age now where my friend's kids are getting to the sexually active stage of their life. They seem waaay tamer than what me and their parents were like at their age. I doubt that they are having more sex or even trying as hard. They certain Dont party like we did our have massive benders either.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by nebabyte »

smitherfield wrote: post #161
api_or_ipa wrote: post #149

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Reminds me of a lesson about misleading statistics I tell my nephews. We've all see the hand sanitizers that advertize killing 99.99% of germs, but what does that actually mean? 99.99% equates to 1/10,000 survivors and assuming for each generation the population doubles means it takes just 14 generations for the original colony to be back at full strength again. For extra creepy effect, e coli can reproduce in optima…

The idea is that it kills 99% of them, and then your immune system is up to the task of killing the remaining 1%.

the marketing idea?

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by Girlang »

KGIII wrote: post #160
dna_polymerase wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is used for tax evasion, supporting corporate interest in developing countries and to control the WHO. https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/sites/default/files/files/r... They even advised not to lower prices for vaccines, because then pharma corporations wouldn't invest in the global south anymore.

If you have evidence of tax evasion, I'm sure the tax authorities would love to hear about it.

You know who did real tax evasion? Your false-god Steve Jobs. He took a $1/year salary to beat payroll taxes and paid himself with backdated stock options taxed at long term cap gains rate. And he put Gore on his board who was connected enough to keep the government off his back.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by cbhl »

delbel wrote: post #152
MechEStudent wrote: post #93

HIV evolves with amazing (super-villian-ic) speed. Many "cures" attack 99% of cells, or similar. Resistance is evolved during treatment, and is usually uniform within just a few months. It mutates/evolves so fast that given just virus samples, it is possible to determine sequence of infection. I think it needs to kill more than 6-9's before it has a good chance at being a cure.

I'm not familiar with any details about this vaccine or other therapies, but from what I understand is when you have a partial solution or near total solution like this, you combined it with another therapy so you have two methods of action to dealt a "kill shot" to the target organism or virus. This combined therapy strategy is used in killing Borrelia type infections. Basically they combined two different antibioti…

The article says they already combined three different antibodies to get the 99% rate.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by techdragon »

djsumdog wrote: post #165
jahnu wrote: post #130

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Honestly, when you US folks talk about how your medical bills work and are paid there is so much jargon and complexity it sounds like Star Trek techno-babble to my ears. "I have a common but chronic ailment so all I had to do was re-route the phase-converter to the deflector shield and invert the chromaton particles in Shelk-Einstein space and we're done!" :/

> "I have a common but chronic ailment so all I had to do was [tech] the [tech] to the [tech] and [tech]" Fun fact: A lot of the original Star Trek screenplays were written with [tech] everywhere and the science writers came in and tried to right some jargon that was believable. In regards to health care, it's a mess. I spent years working in the industry and it's truly a little frightening. I've been in other countr…

Healthcare is one of the reasons I'm not keen to consider moving to the USA for a startup job. Sure it would be a fun adventure compared to my current cushy contracting work in Australia, but healthcare in the USA is a show compared to the ludicrously easy and high quality coverage I have in Australia.

For reference, I pay about ~$200 Australian to my personal insurance, which is a pretty generous plan with lots of extras, basic health care such has visiting a doctor for prescriptions, etc... I haven't paid a dollar for in 3 years, before that I used to pay $20 for convenience of a clinic that was open late and they didn't bill the government for the entire cost, which is common, but almost always a reasonably small fee in the multiples of $20 depending on how long you spend with the doctor. I paid this when I was a government employee, a private employee contracted to the government, and I continued to pay it when I quit to become a freelance developer, my cover has nothing to do with my job and I cannot even fathom why in the most awful circles of hell I would want my health care tied to my job. Hence my trepidation at ever subjecting myself to the American health care system.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by KGIII »

rosege wrote: post #172
KGIII wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have evidence of tax evasion, I'm sure the tax authorities would love to hear about it.

I guess they mean tax avoidance

Ah, yeah, maybe. I wonder if people know that non-profits, especially those that are that large, are given heavy financial scrutiny and that they can actually check the financial information themselves? The foundation will have a link to download their financial information and, given the levels of oversight and mandatory auditing, they are almost certain to be accurate.

The Gates Foundation does great things. I've never understood the complaints. They are pretty heavily scrutinized and their actions are fairly public. It's not some nefarious organization, at least it isn't from what I've read.

Edited to add: Hmm... They responded with a stange, now dead, comment. I am no longer sure what they meant. It'd appear they think Jobs is my false god. I remain baffled.

Re: New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains

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Post by patryn20 »

MechEStudent wrote: post #93

HIV evolves with amazing (super-villian-ic) speed. Many "cures" attack 99% of cells, or similar. Resistance is evolved during treatment, and is usually uniform within just a few months. It mutates/evolves so fast that given just virus samples, it is possible to determine sequence of infection. I think it needs to kill more than 6-9's before it has a good chance at being a cure.

This is the fundamental problem with treatment of rapidly evolving diseases. The hope is that if you get a "good enough" treatment and get it out to the population rapidly enough, the disease won't have a chance to evolve and spread further. Herd immunity will bring it under control.

I think the problem with a widespread, highly studied virus like HIV is that a "good enough" treatment isn't "good enough." Any treatment will be deployed in a limited manner to test the efficacy, which will in turn give it a chance to develop a resistance and spread.

That having been said, if the treatment CAN treat 99% of current infections, it will be a boon for at least a couple generations of gay and minority communities in the developed world.

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