EFF, ACLU Sue Over Warrantless Phone, Laptop Searches at U.S. Border

Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 10:48 PM UTC

794CD01 wrote: post #48

dsp1234 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should no longer have any expectation of privacy The above poster suggests even worse. "until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expectation of the Bill of Rights.". They suggest you have no constitutional rights outside of the US border. Forget your cell phone, this would imply that black bag operations are completely legal as long as the US citizen is outside of US borders at the time.

No, it implies that they are not illegal, and I would agree. That doesn't necessarily mean they are legal - they are alegal since US law does not apply outside its borders. Just like there doesn't need to be a US law making it legal for you to hire a prostitute in the Netherlands or gamble in an Indian reservation. Admittedly, that argument is not very convincing for the US in particular so pretend we are talking abo…

Post by loup-vaillant » Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 11:48 PM UTC

tryingagainbro wrote: post #46

ScottBurson wrote: post #16

The distinction I would suggest is that CBP should have the power to search the effects of entering travelers looking for physical contraband; so, for instance, to examine a laptop and cell phone to make sure they're not fakes full of cocaine or fentanyl or something. They should have no jurisdiction over information . They don't get to examine all the bits coming into the country over the Internet, and we certainly…

>> They should have no jurisdiction over information. Devils'a advocate: But some information is illegal in USA, like kiddie pron, terrorist stuff, stolen trade secrets etc...so we have to make sure it doesn't enter USA. On the other hand, they can send it via the internet, making border searches less effective. And since they're really burdensome and affect privacy of everyone the court might do away with them. Hope…

Post by nebabyte » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 2:45 AM UTC

b3lvedere wrote: post #25

dsp1234 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I should no longer have any expectation of privacy The above poster suggests even worse. "until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expectation of the Bill of Rights.". They suggest you have no constitutional rights outside of the US border. Forget your cell phone, this would imply that black bag operations are completely legal as long as the US citizen is outside of US borders at the time.

About time there is a system where you can make a super cool backup of your entire smartphone and laptop on a remote system, then completely wipe these devices and restore it when you are safe from the border officers. icloud total backup or something :) "Sure officer, i'll unlock my phone and my laptop. There's absolutely nothing on it."

Post by KGIII » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 5:05 AM UTC

loup-vaillant wrote: post #63

tryingagainbro wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> They should have no jurisdiction over information. Devils'a advocate: But some information is illegal in USA, like kiddie pron, terrorist stuff, stolen trade secrets etc...so we have to make sure it doesn't enter USA. On the other hand, they can send it via the internet, making border searches less effective. And since they're really burdensome and affect privacy of everyone the court might do away with them. Hope…

> like kiddie pron Including, I believe, a rather massive body of drawings and animation films from Japan (I'm thinking of Hentai involving underage schoolgirls). One does not simply forbids those "to protect the children" (no one under 18 is actually involved in the making of such… art), so there must be some harder to justify reason (like good old puritanism, or priming effects).

Post by KGIII » Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 5:18 AM UTC

JudasGoat wrote: post #66

I only make around 20k and I donate $5 monthly to both the EFF and ACLU. I never notice it missing out of my account. Does anyone now of a third organization worthy of support. Not to brag, but I could probably swing $15 a month.