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Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by jacalata »

slg wrote: post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

No, they need to please everyone who chooses to see it which means they need to be categorisable before viewing so people can knowledgeably choose not to see it.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by thadjo »

gozur88 wrote: post #90

Hollywood movies are getting objectively worse, and there's a good reason for it. The market is global now - the North American box office is just a vehicle for pricing deals when the international rights are sold. So they have to make movies that appeal to the global lowest common denominator. No witty or understated dialog. No cultural signifiers that might be missed by someone from another culture. All the money a…

this is such an underappreciated point. many US movies are now developed with an international audience in mind.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by thadjo »

sien wrote: post #66
cgore wrote: post #4

I think more than anything what we need is more movies made by low-budget places. I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. It's just lazy on the part of the movie companies.

This is what Blumhouse productions do. They are responsible for Paranormal activity and a number of other cheap successful films. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blumhouse_Productions

yes, and the ROI on some of these flicks is just jaw-dropping. horror is definitely having its moment.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by thadjo »

snarf21 wrote: post #8
cgore wrote: post #4

I think more than anything what we need is more movies made by low-budget places. I really don't want to see another sequel, redo, or comic book movie. It's just lazy on the part of the movie companies.

This is also because Amazon and Netflix are buying up things that might have otherwise gone to the theaters. Why pay royalties forever when you can just own it forever and amortize the cost?

true, but i think these purchases have a much greater impact on TV that film. Amazon, Netflix, Hulu all have a long list of really successful TV shows but it's hard to think of a 120-minute movie that has risen to the ranks of Handmaiden's Tale, House of Cards, etc..

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by logicallee »

jknoepfler wrote: post #73

Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

Perhaps you are wrong and if you got your film recommendation elsewhere, you would find films you loved, then afterward be surprised that they have just 46% ratings on RT. Also you call it a reliable filter but spend half of your comment complaining about films that pass it.

Perhaps it's a reliable filter of movies that are "so bad it makes you feel physically ill" - but would anyone have recommended those films for you?

I recommend you get your film recommendations elsewhere, ignoring RT unless it's sub 10%. That's approximately what I do.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by lisper »

gozur88 wrote: post #90

Hollywood movies are getting objectively worse, and there's a good reason for it. The market is global now - the North American box office is just a vehicle for pricing deals when the international rights are sold. So they have to make movies that appeal to the global lowest common denominator. No witty or understated dialog. No cultural signifiers that might be missed by someone from another culture. All the money a…

> So they have to make movies that appeal to the global lowest common denominator

No, they think that they have to do this, but they are demonstrably wrong, as proven by e.g. the "surprise" success of a movie like "Get Out" (which is really excellent, BTW) which breaks all of those rules and makes a ton of money because people can still recognize a good movie even though Hollywood generally can't.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by bluedino »

hrktb wrote: post #98
MBCook wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way things are setup is also designed to make me feel like I’m being ripped off. Go to see a brand new very popular movie. They know high ticket prices scare people away, so I can easily get tickets for $9/each (no 3D) for most films. That’s perfectly fair. A small bottle of water is $6. A small popcorn is like $10. So the total cost is about $25 but most of that is hidden in two cheap/basic snacks. How about jus…

Is there such a pressure to buy snacks ? 2h without eating doesn’t feel so difficult.

Or bring snacks from home (or a convienence store which is a bargain compared to a theatre)

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by pasbesoin »

You know, if RT ratings are "unfair" and don't "reflect the public's experience/preference", the public will figure this out, quick enough.

If RT continues to suppress your audiences, maybe that's for a good reason. And, maybe it's not RT.

Stop bitching about the other guy's product, and start fixing your own.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by radley »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #69
slg wrote: post #49

These type of articles never explore the potential results of the Rotten Tomatoes voting system. As the article mentions the RT rating is not a measure of how good a movie is, it is a measure of the percentage of people who viewed the movie positively. A 100% doesn't mean a movie is perfect or even particularly good, it means no one thought it was bad. A movie designed to do well on a RT score needs to please everyon…

>If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before I have literally never heard someone say this >(besides the complaints you hear about prices) Yup, there it is. But also, to watch a movie in the cinema I often have to sit in uncomfortably off-center chairs. I can't adjust the volume if I think it's too loud, I can't pause the movi…

>>If you ask people why they don't go to the movies more they will often cite the idea that there is nothing new they haven't seen before

>I have literally never heard someone say this

There's a huge site dedicated to TV & Film tropes: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FilmTropes

Not saying tropes are bad, but once someone has seen a lot of narrative entertainment the patterns become pretty obvious. They're generally more acceptable if done in very creative ways. For example, Avatar was fully tropey, but the production was wholly unique.

Re: Is Rotten Tomatoes Killing the Movie Industry? No, Bad Movies Are

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Post by platz »

jknoepfler wrote: post #73

Although RT tends to produce false positives for me, it is a reasonably reliable filter. If Hollywood is suffering, I'd look to the quality of its product. For example, marvel civil war is a false positive (for me). When I watch it, I can't get past the clipped, contrived dialogue, close-ups on faces, ham-fisted plots, inconceivably stupid action, schizophrenic scene changes, plastic cgi, and awkward obviously demogr…

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