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Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Is it possible that that's the case PaulRobinson was referring to? A few years earlier than he thinks but it's plausable no?

Someone else gave that link: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/over-400-london-cab-dr... Over 400 that same year he quoted.

That's crimes though, not rape prosecutions, which is different to the original posters claim.

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You mean like Oracle, and Microsoft? Taking a small % of every cab transaction, sounds like a billion dollar business to me. Right now the only thing Uber is doing is spending more money than it makes.

Right now they take a large % of every cab transaction (done on their platform).

Right now they take nothing, since all they are doing is subsidizing the majority of the fare with VC money.

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While the cabbies do hate Uber, I'm not sure you can blame the current moves entirely on them, there's quite a lot more to it than that.

Everybody knows the blackcabs have been lobbying tfl and major for a long time.

Sure, but I don't think you can really blame the black cabs for the ban, there's a lot of substance to the complaints.

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Wait. What? In 2017? There are instructions and I have to report broken equipment? I have to figure out instructions on payment system?! There's no button to handle it all on my phone? Cabs should either operate as well as Uber or die. Instead of figuring out how to become as good or better than Uber they are trying to push Uber out. That just means someone else would show up.

> Wait. What? In 2017? There are instructions and I have to report broken equipment? I have to figure out instructions on payment system?! There's no button to handle it all on my phone? lol nice bit wait are you serious

Yes, I am. There's no bloody way I am going to use a dumber system is smarter option is available.

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Full details: https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/911175207871762432 Criteria failed on: 1) Criminal reporting 2) Medical certificates 3) something about DBS checks 4) Use of Greyball to identify and block regulators. Edit: Updated to new tweet.. they deleted the original

Hmm, does that mean they used Greyball in London, or just the known sleazy uses? British regulators, just like CARB, have famously little sense of humour for stuff like that.

In my experience TfL are a pretty crappy organisation themselves. Cab drivers commonly take longer routes in order to inflate their fares. Try complaining about this and see how far you get. Worse, try seeing what happens if you are injured through negligence of a bus driver (as happened to my girlfriend). They will fight you even in spite of incriminating CCTV until they are dragged into court, and only offer to settle at the last possible chance. TfL are scum.

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I don't think the Mayor of London or TfL really expect to shut down Uber. It would be a deeply unpopular move. There's an acceptance that Uber has improved things for riders, albeit at the expense of the Black Cab industry, and London wants to welcome innovative technology firms. However, I also suspect that Uber hasn't been as co-operative as TfL would like on several issues mentioned, and so this feels like a warni…

Battle of special interests putting their needs over those of the consumer. In NYC where I live the mayor tried to limit the Ubers/Lyfts to appease the taxi industry and the public protested the loudly that the mayor rescinded his plans.

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True, but not taken seriously by cab drivers. I've had many broken card machines in a black cab, and when challenged, it almost always lead to a, "alrite, get out mate" — or a, "well I can try if it works again, it didn't earlier..." I didn't report them, and with their ongoing nonsense and this now, I'll definitely make sure I will from here on forward.

You absolutely 100% must report them. Seriously. Every time. It's the only way we make it better for everybody. The requirement for it to always be available is a new one - it was introduced in recent months. So if your experience pre-date that, that behaviour may have changed. If it hasn't you absolutely 100% need to report the driver to TfL.

> It's the only way we make it better for everybody

All the reporting in the world didn’t help my black friend hail a yellow New York City taxi. You know what did ? Uber exerting competitive pressure on the Taxi & Limousine Commission and its drivers.

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Londoner here. The license is not being renewed not because TfL isn't interested in innovation (they actively encourage it), not to retain power for the black cab drivers, and not because London isn't interested in companies like Uber operating here. It's because of the rapes. The Metropolitan Police (the part of the UK police force that polices London), has objected to their license. In 2015 alone, they had to deal…

> In the entire history of the hackney carriage (black cab) license - going back to 1662 - I know of only one case of a driver having been prosecuted for rape, about 5 years ago. Pardon? John Warboys - a registered black cab driver - was convicted of 12 rapes in 2009, and was thought to have carried out over 100. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Worboys David perry - a registered black cab driver - was convicted of…

OK, you 4, the most recent was in 2012.

Uber has one every 11 days on average in London.

And - and I can't stress this enough - they were all caught and prosecuted. The Met Police are saying Uber is making that harder, even allowing drivers to return to driving after they've been charged with an offence.

Can you see the differences and understand why a police force might decide that this operator in particular is a problem?

Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Londoner here. The license is not being renewed not because TfL isn't interested in innovation (they actively encourage it), not to retain power for the black cab drivers, and not because London isn't interested in companies like Uber operating here. It's because of the rapes. The Metropolitan Police (the part of the UK police force that polices London), has objected to their license. In 2015 alone, they had to deal…

Im suspicious of your base data. Uber's are not anonymous, and although it might give a broader access to the service for criminals, its not less able to turn information over, if not more. Argentina has an issue with taxicabs picking girls out of night clubs and sexually assaulting them, but there is no record of which cab it was, so the criminals are never found. That would not happen with UBer (without finding the…

It's not my base data.

It's the Met Police force who have intervened and given their reasons why.

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