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Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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post #20

There are dozens of us. It's massively disrupting to the state of flow to miss a key by one, and suddenly another window pops up, but there's no text inside. It takes several seconds for the window to compose itself, and several more to close. I do keep the F1 key somewhere safe, to put back onto the keyboard, for the next keyboard user.

ahhh, can't you just map it to something else? (nothing?)

Excel users don't think that way, I guess. Remapping keys requires a registry update on Windows, which many of my windows-at-work friends don't get access to. Even if they did, they might not trust themselves to make registry updates. Popping the key off is easy, secure, and effective.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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Windows help and Windows troubeshooter are among the two most useless things in the OS (and lately it's Cortana). It far easier and more relevant to just do a Google search than waste time with these things. Same goes for answers.microsoft.com, whenever i see that link on top og Google results I'm pretty sure I'll just waste 10 minutes of my life and then search for the same thing on Stackexchange and pray to god som…

I remember back in the days of 98 when in my experience, hitting F1 would trigger the help which would never load rapidly or successfully. My standard operating procedure was to do a hard shutdown. It was so frustrating.

I was roughly 5-7 while using it. Maybe it wasn't that bad and I was simply impatient. Regardless, it's always been useless to me.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

#43
post #8

At least this is one problem new MacBook users won't have!

for me it's ⌘+W vs ⌘+Q in Firefox: the first closes the current tab, the second the whole browser which takes some time to restart. Solved it now with an add-on

All the worse if you're used to readline / emacs keybindings, where ^W is "delete word".

Editing a Web form and suddenly having the entire tab disappear is less than gruntling.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ahhh, can't you just map it to something else? (nothing?)

Excel users don't think that way, I guess. Remapping keys requires a registry update on Windows, which many of my windows-at-work friends don't get access to. Even if they did, they might not trust themselves to make registry updates. Popping the key off is easy, secure, and effective.

A registry key? It’s incredibly you can change keyboard layout but not key bindings easily.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

#45
post #36

It suffices to use KeyTweak for Windows, not physically modify the keyboard. For example, I used it to disable the Back/Forward buttons on my ThinkPad.

Yeah mangling the keyboard should be a last option , I'm guessing they're not aware that all the keys can be remapped.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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In my view, there are many insights like this to be had by physically studying product users a bit more. The startup community has built a strong habit of studying users before a new solution is adopted, but not as much after. The insights designers get from just watching someone use a product are always delightful. The idea is basically ethnography for design. ( https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/book/the…

The cynic in me says most startup types would witness this behavior, snort derisively and say "they're not our target market".

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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post #7

Why would not they remap F1 to something else, say another F2 if they so like it? The functionality has been at both Linux and Windows for a very long time.

In addition to what other people mention, it's generally a bad idea to take a sloppy input and try to autocorrect it, because it encourage bad habits that will really surprise you the next time the autocorrect doesn't work as you expect. This ranges from autocorrecting spelling, to keypresses, to UNIX commands, to all sorts of things. It's better to block or highlight (if relevant) the bad input than to try to correct it automatically. For one thing, if you encourage sloppy input, the brain automatically adjusts and will become even more sloppy; while this isn't necessarily a never-ending spiral it is still quite likely to lead somewhere worse than blocking bad input entirely.

(Incidentally, if you want to fiddle with your keyboard but you don't want to go whole-hog with switching to an entirely different layout, you can use this principle to switch around two keys really quickly. If you want to try your Caps Lock as, say, CTRL, that's fine, but be sure to unmap the CTRL key itself. If you don't, it'll just be frustrating as you try to force yourself to remember, and realize three weeks later that Caps Lock is still mapped to CTRL but you haven't used it at all. If you do unmap the old key entirely, you'll find you've adjusted entirely in as little as 5 minutes, and it's only another 5 minutes to go back, if that's what you decide. You can iterate on these things much more easily than you might think.)

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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post #33

Windows help and Windows troubeshooter are among the two most useless things in the OS (and lately it's Cortana). It far easier and more relevant to just do a Google search than waste time with these things. Same goes for answers.microsoft.com, whenever i see that link on top og Google results I'm pretty sure I'll just waste 10 minutes of my life and then search for the same thing on Stackexchange and pray to god som…

Those features are not made for us, rather for the majority of clueless users that save files in whatever directory happens to be the default one.

Do they know what F1 is?

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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post #48
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those features are not made for us, rather for the majority of clueless users that save files in whatever directory happens to be the default one.

Do they know what F1 is?

They will when they find out what F2 does.

Re: Some Excel users pop F1 off their keyboards (2012)

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In my view, there are many insights like this to be had by physically studying product users a bit more. The startup community has built a strong habit of studying users before a new solution is adopted, but not as much after. The insights designers get from just watching someone use a product are always delightful. The idea is basically ethnography for design. ( https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/book/the…

Agreed. When I worked at a newspaper, my most valuable contributions by far were ones made after spending a day with a reporter, ad designer, etc. and talking with them about their daily routine.
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