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Uber London loses licence to operate

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Re: Uber London loses licence to operate

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Is this the first domino? Will France (and other European countries) then turn around and say, ah oui we too don't think Uber is fit to operate. Uber is pretty crappy in London, I had one the other night and the guy wasn't even the guy who's picture was on the app (yes the driver did not match the registered uber driver). This is before we even get onto the fact that he didn't know where he was going.

This happens all the time in black cabs. My wife and I rely on uber all the time. It feels right for a city like London. This is a step backwards in my opinion I’d like to add that most black cab drivers make out like their card machine doesn’t work. It’s a total cash scam to avoid VAT. I’ve had a black cab deny picking me up before because I didn’t want taking very far (I had a twisted ankle and just wanted to short…

They're required to accept cards and can't make you pay with cash. Just tell them you don't have cash, and they'll make sure their card reader starts working.

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Thinking it through - Uber (indirectly) leads to 40,000 drivers being employed (if I read correctly). I suspect this is just TfL flexing their muscles and Uber will use these 21 days to find a compromise...

I think they are self-employed, and not employed by Uber.

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To be honest, few people here in London bother with taxis. Public transport is very good, can be faster than sitting in traffic, and is cheaper. Most folks ordering taxis either don't know where they are going, missed the last train or are wealthy enough to not care about the cost. Uber literally made no impact on the quality if life to your average Londoner and won't be missed.

I could not disagree more - often times, especially if travelling with multiple people it is far more convenient, comfortable and can even be more affordable than taking public transport. While I agree that London has great public transport, Uber has been a game changer for myself and many people I know.

>"While I agree that London has great public transport"

This must be a different London from the one I was in ten years ago.

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Last time my (getting rather elderly) mother came to London I told her and her husband to get an Uber as it was easier than them standing in the rain trying to hail a cab. They flatly refused. They'd been told by a black cab driver the night before there was a 'strong possibility' they would get raped or robbed by 'foreign' drivers.

Why not suggest one of London's myriad of other options, which don't have so much in the way of unethical baggage?

The tube is fine for the most part but it can be a drag going from the eastern parts of London to LHR directly (or to Paddington or Victoria)

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Actually it doesn’t. In many places your regular driving license becomes void as soon as you have a single paying passenger, and it becomes driving without a license, and you get a fine. Germany is one such place. Good news is, a driving license for with passengers is just an additional test that will overall set you back less than 100 Euros. And, additionally, your insurance becomes void as soon as you have a paying…

That's a new thing to me. I was driving in Germany several times with passengers and I didn't know my current driving license isn't good for it. I even rented a car at the airport and Hertz clerk haven't mentioned anything, despite seeing me approaching with friends. They only asked if there are drivers, not passengers. So how does it work?

paying passengers.

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If they can't or won't reform then excellent, let's be rid of them. I don't want to give any business to a company that are seeking to become a worldwide cab monopoly, and squirrel away any profits to the US. We have a perfectly healthy cab ecosystem in my city, app-driven and with fare competition and city regulation. Which I suppose is why Uber, though present, hasn't really taken off here. That said, talk of profi…

However, the article would greatly benefit from more factual information. What "threat to Londoners' safety and security"? Be specific please.

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Thinking it through - Uber (indirectly) leads to 40,000 drivers being employed (if I read correctly). I suspect this is just TfL flexing their muscles and Uber will use these 21 days to find a compromise...

Considering they've been on notice for the last 4 months and are yet to find a compromise, I wouldn't hold your breath.

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If the meter is on, it's reported and recorded income, is it not?

Is the meter connected to a server? If not, i don’t see how that would even count as accounted income.

It doesn't need to be connected to a server if the meter is periodically attached to a computer that downloads the data.

That said I have no idea if that's something they do. I am now going to try to find out.

--edit-- it's not easy to find data on this. So far I have found out that most taxi meters have to be taken in to an office or depot to get the fare-structures updated...

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This seems rather subjective? Anecdotally, many of my friends and colleagues use Uber frequently, especially at night.

Anecdotally, my friends do as well. I used to take public transport but at the end of a night out, a cab is a lot nicer so long as it's within my price comfort point. A black cab isn't really in that comfort zone for me.

Pre-uber I'd take the night bus, as I'm not paying £50 or £60 for a black cab from town to my home. Post uber that same journey is now less than £25 and well worth paying for to avoid the occasional horrors on the night bus.

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Actually it doesn’t. In many places your regular driving license becomes void as soon as you have a single paying passenger, and it becomes driving without a license, and you get a fine. Germany is one such place. Good news is, a driving license for with passengers is just an additional test that will overall set you back less than 100 Euros. And, additionally, your insurance becomes void as soon as you have a paying…

That's a new thing to me. I was driving in Germany several times with passengers and I didn't know my current driving license isn't good for it. I even rented a car at the airport and Hertz clerk haven't mentioned anything, despite seeing me approaching with friends. They only asked if there are drivers, not passengers. So how does it work?

If you transport people commercially – be it as driver for hire, Uber driver, taxi driver, etc, you’ll need a Führerschein Klasse P: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerschein_zur_Fahrgast...

This allows up to 8 passengers. If you want more, you need a license for bus drivers, Führerschein Klasse D.

If the passengers pay you less than, or equal to the costs that you had during driving, you do not require any of this, and it is considered noncommercial (for example, when carpooling and passengers pay for gas)

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