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Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by bubblethink »

newscracker wrote: post #8

I haven't used Wire [1] in a long time because it didn't have a way to backup and restore conversations when switching devices (Signal behaves the same way too). But I do look at the release notes whenever the client is updated. Recently I was happy to see that Wire allowed up to three accounts to be configured in the client! I also like the fact that Wire doesn't need a phone number (unlike Telegram, Signal, WhatsAp…

>But until any of these new age apps/platforms support federation and decentralized communication, there's not much use for the masses to look for servers run by specific people.

What's the use case for self hosting ? Since it's supposed to be e2e, does self-hosting buy you anything ?

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by Markoff »

dijit wrote: post #5

This is a compelling reason to use Wire over Telegram or whatsapp. I am assuming we can run our own instances though.

you need only one reason to use app - your contacts there

if I will find only one my contact on Wire, it can be amazing as much they want, but it's useless, reason why I switched today from Hangouts to Facebook Whatsapp as my secondary messenger (primary is Signal), which I really don't like (especially bloated UI with 2 unnecessary tabs out of 4), but there is not really any other option, since nobody use Allo, Skype has horrible UI, and very few people use Telegram or Viber

telegram, wire or signal are fine for people working in IT, but if you have contacts outside your work circle they are pretty much useless

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by [deleted] »

Markoff wrote: post #22
dijit wrote: post #5

This is a compelling reason to use Wire over Telegram or whatsapp. I am assuming we can run our own instances though.

you need only one reason to use app - your contacts there if I will find only one my contact on Wire, it can be amazing as much they want, but it's useless, reason why I switched today from Hangouts to Facebook Whatsapp as my secondary messenger (primary is Signal), which I really don't like (especially bloated UI with 2 unnecessary tabs out of 4), but there is not really any other option, since nobody use Allo, Skyp…

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Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by snakeanus »

tptacek wrote: post #11
dijit wrote: post #5

This is a compelling reason to use Wire over Telegram or whatsapp. I am assuming we can run our own instances though.

I would hope the sharply better security of Wire or WhatsApp would be a good reason to use them instead of Telegram.

The fact that WhatsApp is non-free and backdoored " rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13389935> is a good enough reason not to use it instead of telegram (or wire or signal or tox or most e2e programs).

Re: Wire Server open sourced

#25

Post by zeveb »

bubblethink wrote: post #21
newscracker wrote: post #8

I haven't used Wire [1] in a long time because it didn't have a way to backup and restore conversations when switching devices (Signal behaves the same way too). But I do look at the release notes whenever the client is updated. Recently I was happy to see that Wire allowed up to three accounts to be configured in the client! I also like the fact that Wire doesn't need a phone number (unlike Telegram, Signal, WhatsAp…

>But until any of these new age apps/platforms support federation and decentralized communication, there's not much use for the masses to look for servers run by specific people. What's the use case for self hosting ? Since it's supposed to be e2e, does self-hosting buy you anything ?

Depending on the details of the protocol, it might defend against certain patterns of traffic & contact analysis.

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by tptacek »

snakeanus wrote: post #24
tptacek wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hope the sharply better security of Wire or WhatsApp would be a good reason to use them instead of Telegram.

The fact that WhatsApp is non-free and backdoored " rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13389935> is a good enough reason not to use it instead of telegram (or wire or signal or tox or most e2e programs).

Well, if "snakeanus" on Hacker News says so, why would I believe Matthew D. Green, Bruce Schneier, Avi Rubin, Steve Bellovin, Emin Gün Sirer, and Paulo Barreto when they cosign a letter saying that report was horseshit? Tough call, I guess!

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by snakeanus »

tptacek wrote: post #26
snakeanus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that WhatsApp is non-free and backdoored " rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13389935> is a good enough reason not to use it instead of telegram (or wire or signal or tox or most e2e programs).

Well, if "snakeanus" on Hacker News says so, why would I believe Matthew D. Green, Bruce Schneier, Avi Rubin, Steve Bellovin, Emin Gün Sirer, and Paulo Barreto when they cosign a letter saying that report was horseshit? Tough call, I guess!

Nice appeal to authority you got there.

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by 16 »

newscracker wrote: post #8

I haven't used Wire [1] in a long time because it didn't have a way to backup and restore conversations when switching devices (Signal behaves the same way too). But I do look at the release notes whenever the client is updated. Recently I was happy to see that Wire allowed up to three accounts to be configured in the client! I also like the fact that Wire doesn't need a phone number (unlike Telegram, Signal, WhatsAp…

> But until any of these new age apps/platforms support federation and decentralized communication, there's not much use for the masses to look for servers run by specific people.

Have you not heard of https://matrix.org?

100% open source server + client(s), decentralized, federated, easy to stand up your own server, end-to-end encryption, bridges to tons of other networks (IRC, telegram, slack, mattermost, etc), full history sync even when you log in from new devices, read receipts (even for individual users in group chats). They're by far (in my opinion) the most feature-rich of the "new-age" communication systems. I've been running my own homeserver for over a year now and I can't recommend it highly enough.

Re: Wire Server open sourced

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Post by tptacek »

snakeanus wrote: post #28
tptacek wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if "snakeanus" on Hacker News says so, why would I believe Matthew D. Green, Bruce Schneier, Avi Rubin, Steve Bellovin, Emin Gün Sirer, and Paulo Barreto when they cosign a letter saying that report was horseshit? Tough call, I guess!

Nice appeal to authority you got there.

It is indeed, isn't it? I'm actually underselling it, using principally names that I think everyone on HN knows. But if you know anything about cryptography, the repudiation of that "backdoor" story is even more devastating. Look at the list at the bottom of this post:

http://technosociology.org/?page_id=1687

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