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Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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If you get hit by thousands of trolls at once it's not trivial to block them. Also, in some cases other people see the trolling about you even after you block it.

Genuine question here, unless you're some sort of controversial public figure, how would you wind up attracting the attention of thousands of trolls?

It just takes one troll leader to single you out for harassment. Usually they attack famous people but not always.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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post #27

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>Otherwise, people being horrible really isn't your problem unless you train yourself to be very conscious of their opinions and to care deeply about them. I don't buy this. If an internet forum like FaceBook, Twitter, Reddit, or whatever allows increasingly toxic behavior it eventually spills into the real world. For example, unmoderated forums facilitate doxing and incitement. What happens when an online harasser p…

Are we talking about online comments, or real-world harrassment? They are two different topics.

I'm talking about three things here, online harassment, how that activity can bleed into the real world, and how it's hard to tell when the second thing is beginning to happen. When does harassment slip into incitement for example? When does brigading by trolls shut down the online spaces of marginalized groups and make them less safe in real life for lack of a digital space to organize? Doxing again, is online harassment that may have nasty effects in the physical world, as does outing people based on their hidden minority status e.g. sexual orientation.

Online and real world harassment aren't two different things is more or less my conclusion. They are different vectors for similar anti-social behavior.

Would you defend someone following another person around every public space they visit screaming in their face as free speech and say the victim should toughen up? I doubt you would, and in fact it probably constitutes several crimes depending upon where you live. You could probably get a restraining order. Blocking online works similarly, but you have to do it site by site, alias by alias which doesn't scale. However, many of the tactics that trolls use scale rather well. So I think platforms have some responsibility here.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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post #14

Interesting, here's a first-hand account of what's happening: https://streamable.com/zota1

Watched for a few minutes. "Muslims are like African Carp. They breed rapidly [... yadda yadda yadda ...] Our entire race has been suffering under the burden of this minority..." That's grade-A genocidal rhetoric he's deploying. Good for observing that evil can wear any kind of face. Not good for much else.

>>That's grade-A genocidal rhetoric he's deploying.

One of the great things of our times, is that bulk of the recorded history is available out there, and accessible for pretty cheap. Almost anything that is being said now, has been told by someone else in the past. To a point- Today you can easily judge the intentions and consequences of what is likely to happen as outcome of the speech.

This is a bad time to aspire to be a dictator or a genocide perpetrator.

There are so many signals you can pick from a person's talk that you can easily flag and classify the speech into what's likely to happen next.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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post #25

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This seems like a classic catch 22. If they go completely free speech people will complain about all the propaganda on Facebook and some countries will just block it. On the other hand if they do moderation people complain about censorship. There is no actual way for them to win here

They're already doing moderation, though: Rohingya media gets blocked, white-supremacy media is allowed.

It has gotten to the point where an American anarchist writing that they want to travel to Yemen to fight imperialism is considered a terrorist and censored, but a white supremacist person saying we should "shoot all those monkeys in St. Lewis" is considered sacred free speech.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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post #14

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Watched for a few minutes. "Muslims are like African Carp. They breed rapidly [... yadda yadda yadda ...] Our entire race has been suffering under the burden of this minority..." That's grade-A genocidal rhetoric he's deploying. Good for observing that evil can wear any kind of face. Not good for much else.

People are not evil simply for disliking aspects of other cultures or populations. For example, Americans enslaved Africans for hundreds of years. That is a claim of fact. I believe it is true. I believe slavery is bad, it should be stopped in all its forms (including as punishment for a crime), and I'm glad that the 13th Amendment was passed. Hating what white people did to Africans does not make me evil, in fact it…

First: yes I am absolutely saying that Muslims in Myanmar are not engaged in a vast conscious conspiracy to change the demographics of the country. Yes, different cultural groups can have different fertility rates, but to say that this is an attempt "to take over the country by means of rapid reproduction" is when one crosses the line from making factual demographic observations to genocide-inciting hate speech.

I regret that I couldn't capture the full quote in which the monk analogises Muslims to African Carp (there was no way to pause or rewind the video, and that's the most I could remember with accuracy). He goes on at length about how they are violent, selfish, attack other species as well as their own kind, pollute the ecosystem, are a foreign invasive species, etc. These kind of analogies are designed to dehumanise their subjects, and to lead to an inevitable conclusion: for the health of the ecosystem, invasive foreign species must be eradicated. Of course culling always feels a bit distasteful, but in the long run it's the best thing to do.

This kind of rhetoric puts my hackles up because I've seen it before. In 2001-2002 I lived in Ahmedabad, India, and I saw at point-blank range how these kind of Islamophobic sentiments culminated in the massacre of thousands of innocent Muslims. So it's something that I take very seriously.

(By the way: this isn't a matter of tribal allegiance. I'm ethnically Jewish and my spiritual practice owes more to Buddhism than anything else -- but somehow it's still not difficult to recognise that the Rohingya are human beings, not African Carp. Anybody who says otherwise can fuck the hell off.)

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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post #86

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Do you apply the same standards to your own life? I bet from your presence on this site that your income or potential income is above the median. When a drunk husband across town starts getting abusive towards his wife, do you open your house to the wife? If no, why not? Are you shouldering your share of the burden?

> Do you apply the same standards to your own life? Yes, absolutely. Most mature people do and most modern societies do. The U.S. has actively supported freedom and democracy around the world since it became a major power, and part of its ethos has been to take in the 'hungry, tired and poor'. In fact, if you are an American, you are one of the major beneficiaries of this attitude: The entire society, it's freedom, s…

So you actually take homeless and needy people into your home? Or do you just expect the amorphous 'society' to do that for you?

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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I never thought I'd see the day where a Buddhist monk in robes is calling for the genocide of "Muslim vermin". (I don't think he literally said "vermin", but that's basically the analogies he's using.)

So imagine what actually drove them to that.

Being a religious extremist and a nationalist with the support of a military junta behind him, probably.

Re: Facebook is 'silencing' Rohingya Muslim reports of 'ethnic cleansing'

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I never thought I'd see the day where a Buddhist monk in robes is calling for the genocide of "Muslim vermin". (I don't think he literally said "vermin", but that's basically the analogies he's using.)

I guess it must take a lot of wrongdoing to provoke a Buddhist monk?

Or a lot of tribalism?
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