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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#81

Post by dragontamer »

seabta wrote: post #80
dragontamer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not trying to sell you on anything. I'm trying to explain why people might have a reasonable concern about changing racial demographics. To be honest, your explanation doesn't seem very reasonable to me. > I've tried to explain that. If you expected that other racial groups were going to use their political power to benefit their own race at the expense of your race, which is a totally reasonable outcome to exp…

>The issue is you're stuck thinking that any other race is your enemy. I am certainly not "stuck" thinking anything, and I never suggested anyone was my enemy. All I've suggested is that different policies will benefit or harm different races unevenly, and that in general people will be biased toward their own race. >just want equality You're not paying attention. I've already been over this. Even if they really do w…

> Even if they really do want equality, that's just a vague concept.

Well yeah. Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. There are entire books, parodies, and movies on this subject.

Unless you're seriously suggesting to me that YOU don't understand the concept behind equality. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something.

> All I've suggested is that different policies will benefit or harm different races unevenly, and that in general people will be biased toward their own race.

And all we gotta do is work on politics and demonstrate viewpoints where things truly are equal, in a way that many people can agree upon.

Its really not that hard. Bullies calling African Americans the N-word? That's not cool, chastise those guys. Racial Voting suppression going on in a certain area? F-those guys too, we shouldn't be trying to make one race have an easier time voting than another. Racial Quotas being suggested to be part of college-acceptance? That seems a bit like a bad idea to me.

I mean, these are REAL issues that are addressed all the time in Politics. Each time, "equality" may be up for debate but society comes to a general, sane conclusion.

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I don't expect everyone's definition of "equality" to perfectly match. For the most part, I just don't want people to advocate the advance THEIR race at the detriment of other races.

And politics is work. That means I have to work to figure out people's opinions, analyze their viewpoints, and make decisions based on that.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#82

Post by seabta »

dragontamer wrote: post #81
seabta wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The issue is you're stuck thinking that any other race is your enemy. I am certainly not "stuck" thinking anything, and I never suggested anyone was my enemy. All I've suggested is that different policies will benefit or harm different races unevenly, and that in general people will be biased toward their own race. >just want equality You're not paying attention. I've already been over this. Even if they really do w…

> Even if they really do want equality, that's just a vague concept. Well yeah. Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. There are entire books, parodies, and movies on this subject. Unless you're seriously suggesting to me that YOU don't understand the concept behind equality. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something. > All I've sugges…

>Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept.

So then you understand there is plenty of room for bias to create disagreement, which can have real world consequences, as I've been saying?

>The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something.

It's the "or something" bit, which I've explained very clearly, repeatedly, but which you won't address because it annihilates your argument.

>And all we gotta do...

Ya, all we gotta do. Easy as 1 2 3. Just tell mean white people not to call blacks the 'N' word and poof! Everyone will agree on the precise definition of equality.

>Racial Quotas being suggested...

You understand that a whole lot of people disagree with you about whether that promotes equality, right? All we gotta do is get them to agree with you, right? Just give the finger to people who engage in racial voting suppression, and bam! The exact definition of equality will get slammed into everyone's mind so hard they won't be able to disagree. As long as there are a few cases which you think no one could disagree with, even though people have disagreed with them rather strenuously in the past, the precise, universally agreed upon definition must be right around the corner, right?

>but society comes to a general, sane conclusion.

You understand society came to the conclusion 200 years ago that equality didn't even apply to other races, right? They believed in equality, they just meant something a little different by it than you do.

>I don't expect everyone's definition of "equality" to perfectly match.

So then you understand there's room for reasonable disagreement among reasonable people, and that their human biases will generally result in them preferring the answer which is better for their own race?

>For the most part, I just don't want people to advocate the advance THEIR race at the detriment of other races.

No one cares what you want. You not wanting it doesn't mean it's not going to happen. People are going to be biased toward their own race, consciously or not, and that's going to have real world consequences. Your hopes and feelings don't change reality.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#83

Post by dragontamer »

seabta wrote: post #82
dragontamer wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if they really do want equality, that's just a vague concept. Well yeah. Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. There are entire books, parodies, and movies on this subject. Unless you're seriously suggesting to me that YOU don't understand the concept behind equality. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something. > All I've sugges…

>Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. So then you understand there is plenty of room for bias to create disagreement, which can have real world consequences, as I've been saying? >The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something. It's the "or something" bit, which I've explained very clearly, repeatedly, but which you won't address because it annihilates your argument. >…

> No one cares what you want

If you don't care for my thoughts, then you don't need to have them.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#84

Post by Angostura »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #41
Angostura wrote: post #36

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Private Eye has done a pretty good job of maintaining the vibe.

Private Eye was never really countercultural. When Richard Neville, founder of the legendary 1960s countercultural newspaper OZ , moved to London, he met with Private Eye staff thinking that they might be on the same wavelength. Instead, he found they were very classist and old-fashioned (and homophobic). The counterculture wanted to utterly tear down the establishment. Private Eye might have poked fun at some establ…

This is a fair point.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#85

Post by seabta »

dragontamer wrote: post #83
seabta wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. So then you understand there is plenty of room for bias to create disagreement, which can have real world consequences, as I've been saying? >The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something. It's the "or something" bit, which I've explained very clearly, repeatedly, but which you won't address because it annihilates your argument. >…

> No one cares what you want If you don't care for my thoughts, then you don't need to have them.

If you wanted gravity to not exist, would you jump off of a tall building?

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#86

Post by dragontamer »

seabta wrote: post #85
dragontamer wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one cares what you want If you don't care for my thoughts, then you don't need to have them.

If you wanted gravity to not exist, would you jump off of a tall building?

Wow. Erm, okay. You really are dense. Let me simplify my previous post down so that even you can understand it.

"Goodbye".

Feel free to close out on a snarky note. I'll give you another chance to come up with something better. But the patheticness of your last response has pulled me back. If your final words are sufficiently snarky, I'll leave you alone. Or you can just leave too, that's cool.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#87

Post by seabta »

dragontamer wrote: post #86
seabta wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wanted gravity to not exist, would you jump off of a tall building?

Wow. Erm, okay. You really are dense. Let me simplify my previous post down so that even you can understand it. "Goodbye". Feel free to close out on a snarky note. I'll give you another chance to come up with something better. But the patheticness of your last response has pulled me back. If your final words are sufficiently snarky, I'll leave you alone. Or you can just leave too, that's cool.

All I'm trying to get you to understand is that as far as this topic is concerned, it doesn't matter how you want people to behave.

What matters is how people actually behave.

Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#88

Post by dang »

dragontamer wrote: post #86
seabta wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you wanted gravity to not exist, would you jump off of a tall building?

Wow. Erm, okay. You really are dense. Let me simplify my previous post down so that even you can understand it. "Goodbye". Feel free to close out on a snarky note. I'll give you another chance to come up with something better. But the patheticness of your last response has pulled me back. If your final words are sufficiently snarky, I'll leave you alone. Or you can just leave too, that's cool.

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Re: Rolling Stone, Once a Counterculture Bible, Will Be Put Up for Sale

#89

Post by dang »

seabta wrote: post #87
dragontamer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. Erm, okay. You really are dense. Let me simplify my previous post down so that even you can understand it. "Goodbye". Feel free to close out on a snarky note. I'll give you another chance to come up with something better. But the patheticness of your last response has pulled me back. If your final words are sufficiently snarky, I'll leave you alone. Or you can just leave too, that's cool.

All I'm trying to get you to understand is that as far as this topic is concerned, it doesn't matter how you want people to behave. What matters is how people actually behave.

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