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Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by csmattryder »

onebonsai wrote: post #16
peterbonney wrote: post #10

This is a really cool piece of engineering, but I'm bothered by the idea that the going rate for a huge multinational corporation to get a prototype of a potentially extremely valuable technology is less than 10k of prize money [1], plus a "mini-drone race" and "snacks and food". Maybe it's just me, but I find this type of corporate-sponsored hackathon exploitative and distastefull. We're not talking about an event t…

Thanks for your view. However, it is important to see this event also for what it is. It is a way for Arcelor to think out-of-the-box, and get input from people that are not directly linked to their business. Secondly, it is a way for students to get a glimps of what the corporate projects and challenges are. Additionally, for us, as professionals, it is a way to show, although in a very rough fashion, what is possib…

> It is a way for Arcelor to think out-of-the-box, and get input from people that are not directly linked to their business.

And there's nothing wrong with that, so much so, that we created a title for these people: Consultant.

They're highly paid, and available to bring years of domain experience to a business.

How much value did ArcellorMittal get in exchange for 8.5k and some pizza? How much would charge, in comparison?

(Man, programmers desperately need someone to tell them that no, not everyone just "gets" programming. You have a skill, charge for it!)

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by dceddia »

peterbonney wrote: post #10

This is a really cool piece of engineering, but I'm bothered by the idea that the going rate for a huge multinational corporation to get a prototype of a potentially extremely valuable technology is less than 10k of prize money [1], plus a "mini-drone race" and "snacks and food". Maybe it's just me, but I find this type of corporate-sponsored hackathon exploitative and distastefull. We're not talking about an event t…

I agree. While I understand the OP's point that it's a valuable experience for the team, a glimpse into solving real problems, it's not a finished product, etc., I still think ArcelorMittal captures the bulk of the value here.

They had 70 teams competing. The team in the article had 5 members working for 36 hours, with 3 hours of sleep. Let's say the team members would fetch $150k/year. $75/hr. 5 people, 33 hours. $12,375. And there were 70 teams competing for $10k + snacks.

On the flip side, how much does ArcelorMittal lose on a single failed weld? I would venture a guess it's well north of $10k.

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by corford »

onebonsai wrote: post #12

Hey! Thanks guys for your comments! I'm the writer of the article (Evarest). Just a bit of an update in the mean while :) Our AI team is now busy writing a bit more detail on the actual AI part of the project. The project used: Random Forested Height Data Deep Learning Models We trained on the entire dataset of 60.000+ elements, but did pre-processing on the data. I am not placed to answer detailed questions on the A…

Great hack. Really enjoyed reading this! Noob question: the weld as shown in the AR video looks really detailed (fissures, deformations etc). Was that rendered by you using the heightmap data alone or did you have access to top and bottom images of the welds as part of the training data?

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by loa_in_ »

corford wrote: post #24
onebonsai wrote: post #12

Hey! Thanks guys for your comments! I'm the writer of the article (Evarest). Just a bit of an update in the mean while :) Our AI team is now busy writing a bit more detail on the actual AI part of the project. The project used: Random Forested Height Data Deep Learning Models We trained on the entire dataset of 60.000+ elements, but did pre-processing on the data. I am not placed to answer detailed questions on the A…

Great hack. Really enjoyed reading this! Noob question: the weld as shown in the AR video looks really detailed (fissures, deformations etc). Was that rendered by you using the heightmap data alone or did you have access to top and bottom images of the welds as part of the training data?

I think it was data from the laser scanner as it was monochromatic (w/ shading)

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by rmorm »

kerberos84 wrote: post #20

How much money will Arcelor earn from this piece of Software? You just implemented it for free!

Hey ! I am one of the AI guy of the team. I agree that if the solution gets implemented on the lines, they will probably make more net money out of it than what was spent for the challenge (which is more than 8.5k€ and some pizzas as said in other comments BTW, the challenge was probably more expensive to organize). However, let's be realistic, they will have to put a lot more money into this before they get a viable product to insert in their production lines. The solution we have built is way too simple regarding actual operational constraints (e.g.: operator safety).

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by specialist »

onebonsai wrote: post #18

UPDATE: Thank you for your comments and remarks ! Based on the inputs of the community, we rewrote the AI part of the article (see section 'Building the AI Assistant'). More details are available now. --> https://lab.onebonsai.com/arcelormittals-hack4steel-hackaton...

I suggest changing "conjest" to "condense".

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by corford »

loa_in_ wrote: post #25
corford wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great hack. Really enjoyed reading this! Noob question: the weld as shown in the AR video looks really detailed (fissures, deformations etc). Was that rendered by you using the heightmap data alone or did you have access to top and bottom images of the welds as part of the training data?

I think it was data from the laser scanner as it was monochromatic (w/ shading)

Thanks!

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by corford »

onebonsai wrote: post #16
peterbonney wrote: post #10

This is a really cool piece of engineering, but I'm bothered by the idea that the going rate for a huge multinational corporation to get a prototype of a potentially extremely valuable technology is less than 10k of prize money [1], plus a "mini-drone race" and "snacks and food". Maybe it's just me, but I find this type of corporate-sponsored hackathon exploitative and distastefull. We're not talking about an event t…

Thanks for your view. However, it is important to see this event also for what it is. It is a way for Arcelor to think out-of-the-box, and get input from people that are not directly linked to their business. Secondly, it is a way for students to get a glimps of what the corporate projects and challenges are. Additionally, for us, as professionals, it is a way to show, although in a very rough fashion, what is possib…

Really agree with this. Not everything is about money, if it was we wouldn't have squid, postfix, apache, nodejs, python and the millions of other open source software that I and everyone else here relies on daily. Ask the maintainer of GnuPG if he was ever given $10K by a company (prior to the Linux Foundation's Core Infrastructure Initiative grant).

Re: Using AI and AR to improve ArcellorMittal's production process at a Hackathon

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Post by peterbonney »

corford wrote: post #29
onebonsai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your view. However, it is important to see this event also for what it is. It is a way for Arcelor to think out-of-the-box, and get input from people that are not directly linked to their business. Secondly, it is a way for students to get a glimps of what the corporate projects and challenges are. Additionally, for us, as professionals, it is a way to show, although in a very rough fashion, what is possib…

Really agree with this. Not everything is about money, if it was we wouldn't have squid, postfix, apache, nodejs, python and the millions of other open source software that I and everyone else here relies on daily. Ask the maintainer of GnuPG if he was ever given $10K by a company (prior to the Linux Foundation's Core Infrastructure Initiative grant).

This is the distinction I was getting at - something like GnuPG provides tremendous value to society as a whole. Saving ArcelorMittal some money in its manufacturing process doesn't benefit anyone except ArcelorMittal's executives and stockholders.

So I stand by my point. There's no doubt the participants got a lot out of this Hackathon, but I'd wager that ArcelorMittal got significantly more.

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