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Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Republicans seem quite content with Trump billing the secret service to stay in his own hotels while protecting him, so I think that's your answer.

Yeah and Zuckerberg pays himself every time he uses Facebook, so are we going to make him delete his account? If he were to win I think he would be pressured to structure some kind of trust that prevents him from leveraging Facebook's political power in conjunction with the government.

But in truth there is absolutely no way Facebook is not going to become his private political action committee. There's no way to separate the two.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Paul Graham claimed in 2004 that the winning candidate each presidential election is actually the candidate with the charisma. http://www.paulgraham.com/charisma.html Since then, Obama beat McCain and Romney and Trump beat Clinton. While it's hard on the ears to hear that Trump is charismatic, the reality is that his social intelligence is off the charts. That's why Scott Adams predicted early that he would win (as d…

If Zuck goes against trump, I think the number of linguistic killshots trump will come up with will be huuuuuuuge

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Zuckerberg has done all these things within a relatively short period of time: * Says he’s no longer an atheist, "questioned" religious matters, he broke through his skepticism and now believes religion to be “very important.” * Restructuring of Facebook stock trough the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. In the SEC filing it says that he can take a leave of absence from Facebook and still retain voting control of the compa…

This country worships success. That's the reason Trump won. Zuckerberg is not only ridiculously successful but touches everyone's life everyday and people may feel an intimacy that doesn't exist. Without being judgmental just looking at the dynamics he is going to win.

What scares me about Zuckerberg vs. Trump is how much more of a cypher Zuckerberg is. Trump's motivations are pretty clear: money, fame, and his own ego. These aren't noble causes but they're easy to understand and it's possible to predict what trump will do from these. What motivates Zuckerberg? The mealy-mouthed, 5000 word manifesto [1] from Facebook this year certainly doesn't shed any light on this question. Nor does he have a track record in politics to point to.

From his unscripted words [2], actions [3], and the company he keeps [4] I suspect his vision is some kind of techno-libertarian utopia where anything is legal as long as it's in the TOS - unless it's the bad thing and must be therefore be purged from the internet.

But considering Facebook's weird puritanical streak [5], and their recent refusal to reveal political ad information [6]. I'm left with this quote from Alpha Centauri:

> "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

[1] https://www.recode.net/2017/2/16/14640460/mark-zuckerberg-fa...

[2] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...

[3] http://www.mercurynews.com/2013/10/10/mark-zuckerberg-buys-f...

[4] http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-defends-faceb...

[5] https://news.artnet.com/art-world/facebook-censors-caravaggi...

[6] https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-facebook-refuses-disclose-po...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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He reminds me of a male Hilary. I think we've been reduced to(maybe we've always been this) just quick reactions for Elections, and my immediate reaction even from the start was I don't like this guy, even before I knew about the "stupid fuckers are trusting me" and sweatgate. He just repulses me, in the same way Hillary physically repulsed me on an evolutionary level. And I think if America is filled with morons lik…

Both Hil and Zuck are not genuine. That's not going to resonate, unless in the next 3 years we swing to the opposite end from Trump's uncesnsored raw bullshit and go full American Psycho Plasticity

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and Zuckerberg pays himself every time he uses Facebook, so are we going to make him delete his account? If he were to win I think he would be pressured to structure some kind of trust that prevents him from leveraging Facebook's political power in conjunction with the government.

But in truth there is absolutely no way Facebook is not going to become his private political action committee. There's no way to separate the two.

He already partners with organizations like WaPo and Politifact to be 'fact-checkers', paying them large contracts I assume.

Once these groups determine something to be 'fake news' they are set up to censor as they see fit. Pretty smart if it wasn't so evil.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Zuckerberg has done all these things within a relatively short period of time: * Says he’s no longer an atheist, "questioned" religious matters, he broke through his skepticism and now believes religion to be “very important.” * Restructuring of Facebook stock trough the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. In the SEC filing it says that he can take a leave of absence from Facebook and still retain voting control of the compa…

This country worships success. That's the reason Trump won. Zuckerberg is not only ridiculously successful but touches everyone's life everyday and people may feel an intimacy that doesn't exist. Without being judgmental just looking at the dynamics he is going to win.

The reason Trump won?

1. Trump got us to blame the our situation on immigrants, and Globalism. Trump allowed us to blame the 1 percenter's without being chastised. It's ironic he might be one of them.

2. The idiots thought Trump would go in there and change the way a bill becomes a law. (It's still to early to tell if he can put a leash on Lobbiests.)

3. People voted for Trump because he was the first politician who exposed other politicians in a bombastic NY manor. And they had it comming--on both sides.

4. Trumps rise to power allowed any narcisstic, with money, to run for the grand prize; The President.

5. I still remember voting for a politician on their character. My father was very conservative, but felt Jimmy Carter was at least a moral/ethical person. I wonder if we will ever see those days again? It seems like morals, and ethics are inversely related to people these days, especially the ones pulling the strings, at least in my world.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring that he's short, uncharismatic, robotic, and looks like a dork.

As opposed to current president, who is quite dashing and the smooth speaker.

Trump's vengeful, bilious and vulgar behavior appeals to the American anti-establishment zeitgeist. People like it because Trump gives voice to the contempt they feel for modern culture, political correctness and the "status quo."

Zuckerberg, on the other hand, may not be able to spin his negatives into positives quite as handily.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's Political Awakening

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Zuckerberg has done all these things within a relatively short period of time: * Says he’s no longer an atheist, "questioned" religious matters, he broke through his skepticism and now believes religion to be “very important.” * Restructuring of Facebook stock trough the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. In the SEC filing it says that he can take a leave of absence from Facebook and still retain voting control of the compa…

> Restructuring of Facebook stock trough the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative. In the SEC filing it says that he can take a leave of absence from Facebook and still retain voting control of the company if he goes to work for the government. It can't possibly be kosher for him to be President with this arrangement, can it? If Carter had to divest his peanut farm, why would we let a President retain a massive interest in the…

Just a year ago I'd have thought it'd obviously land him in hot water, and probably get him impeached in short order if he refused to divest.

I no longer think that. Even massive, wholly overt corruption is apparently fine now. Along with a bunch of other stuff. There are no rules now as long as you can get elected, you're useful to one party or the other, and that party retains enough seats to block impeachment.

Berlusconi is precisely the kind of person who's in power now, and it's taking months of slow, grinding work to maybe, maybe catch him on something bad enough he can't ignore it, while he's plainly profiting from the office and hasn't attempted to avoid actual conflicts of interest, let alone the appearance of them, and that's not even the thing we're trying to throw him out over.

At the highest levels of American power, you can now openly be as corrupt as Berlusconi and... no one cares enough to do anything about it.

So yes, Zuck totally can. Which makes the prospect of his presidency all the more worrisome.

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