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A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Here you go. The prior art you were looking for: http://www.spiekermann-wegener.com/mod/time/time_e.htm

Another one, for the London Underground: http://www.cityam.com/234508/this-alternative-tube-map-shows... The map itself https://petertrotman.com/special/london-underground-travel-t... is having certificate issues atm.

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Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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As a geographer I cringed. The article was written in a way that made it sound a bit more important than it actually is, and I think that quote was one of it. A designer finding geography and cartography for the first time. It IS good stuff though. Maybe the writing is stylised and maybe not as humble as usual techy writing? People do think about space and the environment in spatial terms and also in time. This artic…

Can you explain the "Pizza in San Francisco" meme? Not sure I get the joke.

What “problem” is a young single white male developer in San Francisco trying to solve?

What problems are (NOT (young, single, white, male, developer, in San Francisco)) trying to solve?

What is the Venn diagram of those problem sets? The market size? The impact?

If aiming to build a business that works outside the Silicon Valley bubble, you can go wildly wrong by designing for, appealing to, and getting traction in the tiny set.

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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As a geographer I cringed. The article was written in a way that made it sound a bit more important than it actually is, and I think that quote was one of it. A designer finding geography and cartography for the first time. It IS good stuff though. Maybe the writing is stylised and maybe not as humble as usual techy writing? People do think about space and the environment in spatial terms and also in time. This artic…

I agree. I'm becoming slightly irritated by blog posts that claim something as new that appears to be either nil improvement or minor increment from what has gone before. This isn't the first or the second time I've seen it from MapBox, and I'm now sceptical of what they seem to claiming as real breakthroughs. There are thousands of researchers involved in geo worldwide - every time I dip into a journal I am humbled…

There are beautiful isochrone maps for Manhattan, check these out for something quite pretty and useful:

https://project.wnyc.org/transit-time/#40.75014,-73.93048,12...

https://www.mapnificent.net/newyork/#12/40.7290/-73.9980/900...

It’s easy to imagine zooming in and using the colors for a 10 minute Subway/walkability combo for e.g. restaurant finding.

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Imo when it comes to that there is a huge difference between men and women, or perhaps more accurately people who are highly skilled in map-reading vs people who aren't. In general men prefer to navigate using a map, cardinal directions and can adapt their routefinding on the fly (the actual geography); women prefer to navigate using turn-by-turn directions and fixed landmarks ("five minutes that way," "make the seco…

In case it's unclear to anyone reading this, it's not just anecdotal: this has actually been studied http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01...

Or not:

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-07/tu-ssm072012...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-008-9448-9

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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I think this is great, but I can see it being potentially improved further if there was a temporary overlay of the physical map whenever you hover over a destination. Basically, I feel that completely removing the physical map is okay until you've picked a target. Then, having to click on it to be able to see what the route looks like (which streets to take, etc.) is higher friction than I'd like. Instead, imagine if…

or just keep the "time circles", only make them not circles but rather a spline connecting all the 5-minute-away dots.

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Perhaps morphing the physical map to match the time would work?

Haven't fully thought it through, but I think such a projection would be unintelligible in most cases - it would probably only look remotely 'intuitive' if travel time would always increase with distance. For a real city, it would likely just be very weirdly morphed blobs of the map all cut up and smushed back together, with bizarrely curved roads, non-aligning roads & train lines, etc.

Now I definitely want to see that map, just for kicks.

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Its cool, and I can see the usefulness. After I used it for 5 mins I started thinking "hey I really could care less which direction I need to travel for lunch anyways", so its doing its stated goal there.

My only issue is that they define it as a "map". Its, well, its not. Its a useful tool, but a map tells you how to go there, and this is not that (until you click on something, so that second piece is a map fine). I can concede its a map in the sense that multiple places plotted are still direction-ally related to each other, but that's counter to going ahead and throwing out the map-streets in the first place.

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Can you explain the "Pizza in San Francisco" meme? Not sure I get the joke.

What “problem” is a young single white male developer in San Francisco trying to solve? What problems are (NOT (young, single, white, male, developer, in San Francisco)) trying to solve? What is the Venn diagram of those problem sets? The market size? The impact? If aiming to build a business that works outside the Silicon Valley bubble, you can go wildly wrong by designing for, appealing to, and getting traction in…

Ha, for instance today: https://blog.bodega.ai/so-about-our-name-aa5bff63a92d

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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Best, although I don't really know how you'd do it computationally, would be something like a London Subway map... schematically correct but only geographically accurate in a broad sense.

How about deform the physical map by a deformation field defined by ETA (i.e. stretch and compress)? e.g. https://www.slicer.org/wiki/Documentation/4.2/Modules/Deform... What would be cool about this is that it is still a map of the map, but the unit becomes time adjusted mile.

I actually did this for my bachelor's thesis[1] (maps on p52-53). It's not a pure time-distance representation (constraints on angular distortion to preserve similarity to conventional maps), but anyway. Data is from railway/tram time tables.

[1] http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/szakdolg/2013-bsc/baranc... (in Hungarian)

Re: A new kind of map: it’s about time

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I wonder if some sort of projection would help there: expand areas around the points of interest, and compress space between points.

Perhaps morphing the physical map to match the time would work?

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced it'll work. Somehow making the map truly dynamic by changing the scale according to the time it takes to reach the destination will be helpful. So the scale of the map changes as per the traffic and other factors that affect the time taken to reach specific destinations. This should work, yeah.
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