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"Top Secret America": The Washington Post's contracting investigation

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The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society…

I am not sure. I think I would like the red button to be kept very secret.

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850,000 people have top secret clearance? It doesn't feel that secret...

Bear in mind that you have to have a "need to know" in addition to your clearance. We can speculate that there are also levels beyond top secret. In particular, eyes-only for the most sensitive stuff [1], and (what I have seen called but can't find a reference for) code-word secrecy for particular projects/operations.

[1] Which is where the Bond film For Your Eyes Only gets its title.

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post #17

850,000 people have top secret clearance? It doesn't feel that secret...

I know plenty of people with top secret clearance. Each knows very few secrets. (Or at least, so I assume. I don't know what they know, it's a secret.)

Even I used to have a lower-grade US government security clearance, and I'm a dirty foreigner.

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What's the easiest way to create clusters like that on a map? I worked on something that required clustering at a zoomed-out level and then being broken down into smaller clusters, eventually singular entities on the map. I look at scipy/numpy and some clustering algorithms but most of them required you to define the number of clusters up front. Any idea what they're using here?

chapter 6 of Ben Fry's book Visualizing Data.

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post #21
post #5

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society…

I am not sure. I think I would like the red button to be kept very secret.

What does this even mean? The existence of the button? If you're talking about "secret codes" for using it, that's just an implementation of an authentication/authorization scheme.

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post #23
post #17

850,000 people have top secret clearance? It doesn't feel that secret...

I know plenty of people with top secret clearance. Each knows very few secrets. (Or at least, so I assume. I don't know what they know, it's a secret.) Even I used to have a lower-grade US government security clearance, and I'm a dirty foreigner.

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post #17

850,000 people have top secret clearance? It doesn't feel that secret...

I know plenty of people with top secret clearance. Each knows very few secrets. (Or at least, so I assume. I don't know what they know, it's a secret.) Even I used to have a lower-grade US government security clearance, and I'm a dirty foreigner.

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post #23
post #17

850,000 people have top secret clearance? It doesn't feel that secret...

I know plenty of people with top secret clearance. Each knows very few secrets. (Or at least, so I assume. I don't know what they know, it's a secret.) Even I used to have a lower-grade US government security clearance, and I'm a dirty foreigner.

Huge swaths of security stuff relate to opsec. This is stuff like passwords, troop movement plans, who is being wiretapped and so on. Even more of it tho is stuff like "how much food is being put on supply ship x, or how many tons of fuel are needed to top off the tanks at X motor pool". Essentially all information that can be combined in such a way that bad guys can infer dangerous knowledge -- side-channel attacks essentially.

There are also other secrets, which may be more dangerous, such as blueprints for a new weapon or whatnot. These have a longer "shelf-life". One of the best ways to keep secrets like this safe is to DOS enemy analysts and have lots of opsec stuff be classified as well.

One thing tho that I consider most unfortunate is that classified is essentially a viral license. Once something is built on classified knowledge, not matter how useful it is classified, even if it could be arrived at independently.

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure. I think I would like the red button to be kept very secret.

What does this even mean? The existence of the button? If you're talking about "secret codes" for using it, that's just an implementation of an authentication/authorization scheme.

The quote and the circumstances in which the quote was made, seems to be advocating a complete ban in regards to secrets from our government. I was pointing out that there are very good reasons at times for keeping certain things secret, such as the "red button" which rather than being a code, is the so called button which send off all the nukes.

I know that we as a society, civilisation even, are very adverse to secrets, especially from our government, and rightly so, but secrets in practice are necessary at times. It is their motive which is highly objected to and frankly we do not know what the motive of the secret activities in the United states are.

As I posted in another comment, apparently only 0.30% of the people of the United States are involved in such highly secret activities. That seems rather fare to me.

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