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Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by jaimex2 »

yardie wrote: post #45
jaimex2 wrote: post #16

ok, so its illegal to power your home with solar... but is it illegal to charge a battery with solar in Florida? Powerwalls would still be viable and legal right?

It's illegal to occupy a house that is not connected to the local power grid. The power wall would effectively be redundant and mostly useless. You have to get your power from the power company.

yikes, whats the penalty for not being connected?

Can you be "connected" but not make use of the power, ie have a second circuit? :)

Just toying with loopholes here.

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

oconnore wrote: post #8

The article is trying so hard it's hard to tell what the actual issue is. It is dangerous to backfeed the grid -- you may kill the line worker coming to fix a blown transformer or downed line. In some places a grid connection is considered necessary by the building code. If so, you must use proper equipment.

No where else in any other state has there been a "backfeed the grid" issue. I have never heard of any electrical technician getting killed due to solar panels backfeeding the grid. So when you remove those whats left?... lobbyists.

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by criddell »

thriftwy wrote: post #160
criddell wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sure, I see what you are saying now. If it's inconvenient the most reasonable course of action is to shoot the inspector.

It's not "inconvenient". It's violence. Is violence just inconvenient for you?

I replaced my water heater last spring and when the inspector came out to check the work, it was pretty much just inconvenient. I didn't have any murderous impulses.

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by thriftwy »

criddell wrote: post #163
thriftwy wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "inconvenient". It's violence. Is violence just inconvenient for you?

I replaced my water heater last spring and when the inspector came out to check the work, it was pretty much just inconvenient. I didn't have any murderous impulses.

I fail to immediately see on what grounds would inspector "come out to check" your water heater. I imagine you don't give back anything to water grid or any other grid. Maybe it is a concern that incorrectly installed water heater might explode and damage other people's property? Is it a gas heater?

Otherwise, you are not 15 years old that need supervision, why would anybody come to take a peek in your life? Since when do you owe them anything?

What if tomorrow an inspector will come to check the state of your underwear? Where does it end?

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by criddell »

thriftwy wrote: post #164
criddell wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I replaced my water heater last spring and when the inspector came out to check the work, it was pretty much just inconvenient. I didn't have any murderous impulses.

I fail to immediately see on what grounds would inspector "come out to check" your water heater. I imagine you don't give back anything to water grid or any other grid. Maybe it is a concern that incorrectly installed water heater might explode and damage other people's property? Is it a gas heater? Otherwise, you are not 15 years old that need supervision, why would anybody come to take a peek in your life? Since wh…

> Is it a gas heater?

Yes.

> Where does it end?

It's all contained in the building codes and the local ordinances. It's pretty well defined actually.

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Post by addHocker »

mapmap wrote: post #157
addHocker wrote: post #137

Not conspirancid related - but a real problem. If there is a fire, solar panels produce power while preventing water from reaching the roof - and electrocute fireman. How to solve?

As part of install there is typically a diagram added to the fuse box or inverter showing how to switch generation off.

The generation is not switched off - in fact the generation is not off-switchable- that is the problem. You can break the circuit, but on any connection of source and ground - it still shortens- so if the solar plates shater due to heat stress and connect with dirty water ...

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by thriftwy »

criddell wrote: post #165
thriftwy wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to immediately see on what grounds would inspector "come out to check" your water heater. I imagine you don't give back anything to water grid or any other grid. Maybe it is a concern that incorrectly installed water heater might explode and damage other people's property? Is it a gas heater? Otherwise, you are not 15 years old that need supervision, why would anybody come to take a peek in your life? Since wh…

> Is it a gas heater? Yes. > Where does it end? It's all contained in the building codes and the local ordinances. It's pretty well defined actually.

Tomorrow they redefine it by including your underwear, you will still have no problems with it?

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by criddell »

thriftwy wrote: post #167
criddell wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it a gas heater? Yes. > Where does it end? It's all contained in the building codes and the local ordinances. It's pretty well defined actually.

Tomorrow they redefine it by including your underwear, you will still have no problems with it?

The court system is there to challenge bad laws.

If a law is somehow justifiable but I still don't like it, then I might break it. If there are consequences for that, then I'll accept those consequences.

For example, if my shoddy water heater install causes my house to burn down and my insurance refuses to cover the damage because it wasn't up to code, then that sucks, but it's ultimately my responsibility.

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Post by thriftwy »

criddell wrote: post #168
thriftwy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tomorrow they redefine it by including your underwear, you will still have no problems with it?

The court system is there to challenge bad laws. If a law is somehow justifiable but I still don't like it, then I might break it. If there are consequences for that, then I'll accept those consequences. For example, if my shoddy water heater install causes my house to burn down and my insurance refuses to cover the damage because it wasn't up to code, then that sucks, but it's ultimately my responsibility.

Of course it is your responsibility. But as long as it is, it's nobody else's business.

Laws should only regulate how a person interacts with other entities. It has absolutely no standing in regulating what an adult person does with themself and their belongings.

Re: Florida Power and Light: Regulations for home solar installations

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Post by JshWright »

criddell wrote: post #168
thriftwy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tomorrow they redefine it by including your underwear, you will still have no problems with it?

The court system is there to challenge bad laws. If a law is somehow justifiable but I still don't like it, then I might break it. If there are consequences for that, then I'll accept those consequences. For example, if my shoddy water heater install causes my house to burn down and my insurance refuses to cover the damage because it wasn't up to code, then that sucks, but it's ultimately my responsibility.

> For example, if my shoddy water heater install causes my house to burn down and my insurance refuses to cover the damage because it wasn't up to code, then that sucks

What if you're still inside the house when it catches fire, causing me (a firefighter) to enter the house to attempt to rescue you, and I'm killed in the process. Does that also "suck"? I imagine my wife and kids might feel a bit more strongly about that...

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