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Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by MrJagil »

turc1656 wrote: post #456
MrJagil wrote: post #442

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Thanks for the answer! Couldn't Apple crawl the web and store the index for safari to search through? This way, an iPhone user would search Apple's index instead of Bing's, no website needed.

If I understand your question, the answer is that what you describe is basically the same thing currently on Android phones with the Google search widget thing (I think it's called Google Now). It can perform a search without going to Google's main search page. It may or may not open the results in a browser window, though (I don't know because I don't use it). But regardless, it goes through Google's main search sys…

Excellent explanation!

>I'm not sure if you were asking if this hypothetical from Apple could avoid using Google

Yes, that is what i was trying to get at!

>Because if you are trying to avoid giving your data to Google, then you should also be concerned with Apple.

Definitely!

>Whether or not it is accessed through the site directly is kind of irrelevant. It's still accessing the same remote system in the same way.

I'm just curious if there's a business opportunity for Apple here. They could basically make mobile safari switch to the hypothetical "Apple Search" for queries made in Safari's address bar (I personally don't search from google.com). It would of course only be worth anything to the end user if they saved time not being routed through google.com

In a similar vein, I've read some comments describing "Siri" as a way to get a bite of the web-search-cake.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by jeremy7600 »

AdamSC1 wrote: post #288
FanaHOVA wrote: post #280

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> at DuckDuckGo you are not the product, search is. So... who's paying?

Still advertisers. It's a nuanced but important difference. Case A - if you type in "Car" we show an ad about cars. Advertisers are paying to appear at the top of that page. They do not know who you are or what you previously searched. Case B - if you type in "Car" you are shown an ad about cars. Advertisers are paying to target based on your interest in cars, and possibly other websites you've visited, online action…

It is not a difference at all.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by smnrchrds »

fenwick67 wrote: post #362
Freak_NL wrote: post #121

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!ud → Urban Dictionary (what do you mean, she's 'office cute'?) !wen → Wikipedia English !w.. → Wikipedia (two letter language code, e.g., 'nl') !wikt Wiktionary So many useful bangs.

Just a plain !w gives me English Wikipedia. Usually if I need a certain engine I just guess the bang and it's usually supported and correct. !gm for google maps, !tineye for tineye, !wayback for the wayback machine...

It depends on language settings. I have set DDG region to Canada and language to Canadian French. As a result, !w redirects mne to French Wikipedia.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by mattlondon »

Lifesnoozer wrote: post #3

Recently switched over to DuckDuckGo on all my devices. Tried to do the same thing several years ago and found it didn't really work out, but this time around it is so much better, both when it comes to speed and results. If anyone has doubts because they tried it years ago, I'd say go for it again.

+1

I also tried it a few years ago but was disappointed by the speed - at a time when the google search responses came back "instantly", the latency of DDG was noticeable and not good-enough.

Fast forward to 2017 and that appears to have been solved and the results are as fast as google are from what my brain/eyes can tell anyway - I would not be surprised to find out that google was faster if you timed it. In the past 6+ months I've been using DDG, I've only ever found the need to switch back to google once (and that was image search)

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by kitten_mittens_ »

AlexTes wrote: post #448
482794793792894 wrote: post #416

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I didn't even realize until now that Google has this and DuckDuckGo doesn't. So, that's a No for me, I guess. Others here are saying that they need this for researching programming-related things. I just add the version number of the programming language (or whatever technology) I'm working with to the search query, when I find that the search results are outdated.

Let me guess, you do not work with JavaScript .

Maybe just not react-router.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by mattlondon »

unicornporn wrote: post #18

I'm sure DDG works great if you're an American. As someone who has tried a region specific version of DDG though, I can say the results are downright terrible. Some say the DDG bangs are a solution. What do I win by doing that? It only made me resort to !g all the time, because the results were so bad. Now I use https://www.startpage.com/ with region set to Swedish. It's practically a proxy for Google search, so it g…

DDG Seems pretty good for me in the UK.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by turc1656 »

MrJagil wrote: post #461
turc1656 wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand your question, the answer is that what you describe is basically the same thing currently on Android phones with the Google search widget thing (I think it's called Google Now). It can perform a search without going to Google's main search page. It may or may not open the results in a browser window, though (I don't know because I don't use it). But regardless, it goes through Google's main search sys…

Excellent explanation! >I'm not sure if you were asking if this hypothetical from Apple could avoid using Google Yes, that is what i was trying to get at! >Because if you are trying to avoid giving your data to Google, then you should also be concerned with Apple. Definitely! >Whether or not it is accessed through the site directly is kind of irrelevant. It's still accessing the same remote system in the same way. I'…

Yeah I think there is a business opportunity for them if they really wanted to give it a go. DuckDuckGo leverages Bing, Yahoo, and a number of other sites. I don't see why Apple can't do something similar and forge similar agreements and then use iOS, Siri, and everything else they have as part of their "ecosystem" to drive searches through their new platform.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

grimgrin wrote: post #348

Those who use DDG, do you miss dates in results? Having a date present definitely helps me think about the results: https://www.google.com/search?q=dcss+branch+order https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dcss+branch+order This isn't a case where I _know_ I only want 2017 results, and so I do the syntax to filter it down automatically. I want all results, but I want to be aware of the timeline of whatever I'm going to click. But…

Dates definitely matter. I am a lazy searcher, so I may search for "How do I do X in KDE". I don't care about results from 2013 because I'm running a recent version. Having the dates there helps ensure I can remain a lazy searcher.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by briandear »

DerfNet wrote: post #240
TheReveller wrote: post #173

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How would you keep the index up to date? How quickly would news stories appear in it and stale links disappear? Are you going to read the entire internet every day to keep it current?

maybe you could pull down changes on a daily basis? not a complete reindex but just updates that prune dead links and add new ones. the problem is this would be completely useless for current events. but querying sites you use regularly, this could be an option. I often end a google search with modifiers like "wikipedia" or "reddit" or "stackoverflow". If I could store indexes to those sites offline that might be use…

Or I could let someone do it for me; say Google or DDG. I don’t have time for such nonsense. I’m not going to waste time hosting my own version of Apple Music, when I could just use Apple Music.

Re: DuckDuckGo vs Google

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Post by briandear »

robocat wrote: post #19
alayek wrote: post #7

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In case you already haven't, might wanna add the "Kill Sticky" bookmarklet: https://alisdair.mcdiarmid.org/kill-sticky-headers/

Bookmarklet works in Chrome on iOS. Edit bookmark and paste in javascript link.

Kind of ironic to me we are talking about DDG and using Chrome all in the same breath.
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