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EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders

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Re: EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders

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Post by BoiledCabbage »

codazoda wrote: post #22
Spivak wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's turtles all the way down though. If police need to carry malpractice insurance then the cost will have to be built into salary which is paid by the taxpayers. It might be cheaper to just have the state pay out then pay for a bunch of individual insurance policies.

The only difference I can see is that, like your car policy, if you have to pay a claim your rates go up. That would cause someone not to want a claim filed against them because their salary goes down (assuming the department doesn't just raise their salary to compensate). Still, I think you're right, the tax costs would just go up.

Yes, but there is now incentive to weed out the few officers that are the source of all the complaints. The ones that give good officers a bad name and are a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.

Noone (neither police nor citizens) want them on the force as they make everyone's life more difficult. But right now there is zero incentive to remove them, and only a union fighting to back them no matter what.

I'm assuming if you have a stream of 20-30+ excessive force complaints against you over the past two years, based on past behavior you are very likely to have them in the future and be the cause of a terrible situation leading to a lawsuit.

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Post by barrkel »

ouid wrote: post #29
snakeanus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $55k a year This is actually a LOT. My mother who even has a PHD and works as a teacher only makes 16.8k per year.

it's not, it's slightly lower than the gdp per capita for the US.

Don't confuse mean with median. Someone earning the mean will be well above the median (i.e. earning more than most people) because the mean is skewed by the very well off.

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Post by quuquuquu »

justaman wrote: post #23
quuquuquu wrote: post #2

"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you. The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky. Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail. To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are the…

Its actually really easy to not get arrested. You just need to follow the general rule of not being a dumbass. You sound like one of these neo-marxist jokes. What the police busted up your riot? Keep crying about how the police are a problem and don't bother calling them when your car gets stolen or someone breaks into your place. That'll work out for ya! Yeah search youtube and pretend that's an actual sample that i…

When a cop kicks down your door to serve a warrant at the wrong address

throws a flash bang in your baby's crib

and arrests you for "possession of marijuana", but it's really just cut grass from your landscaping job

then you can come tell me how patriotic and American you are.

Honestly I am trying my hardest to remain calm and professional when someone like you attempts to prove how all cops are great and all suspected criminals are scum.

Please try not to be so aggressively uninformed. Your tacit support of the police is killing people.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-a...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-mistake-tomato-plan...

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Post by quuquuquu »

monkmartinez wrote: post #26
justaman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its actually really easy to not get arrested. You just need to follow the general rule of not being a dumbass. You sound like one of these neo-marxist jokes. What the police busted up your riot? Keep crying about how the police are a problem and don't bother calling them when your car gets stolen or someone breaks into your place. That'll work out for ya! Yeah search youtube and pretend that's an actual sample that i…

Thank you. I am not a cop, but I am a firefighter. I am consistently amazed at humanity... in meatspace, not in a positive way. Then I read about it in pixel space and shake my head in amazement once more. You nailed it. Don't be a dumbass... it is shockingly easy.

Please see my other comment to the person you replied to.

We are not dumbasses. Your experience is not reflective of everyone's experience.

Next time there's a fire at my house, I would rather put it out myself than have you and your arrogance show up.

Re: EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders

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Post by AckSyn »

elorm wrote: post #30

No one sees anything wrong with this ? What about the privacy of the victim? I'm not sure I'd like my pictures or a video of me suffering/dying all over the internet. Is this not the same reason families ask for privacy when suicide/attempted suicide victims are being attended to ?

You're in public, you have zero expectation of privacy.

Don't like the laws, petition to have them changed

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Post by slamdance »

snakeanus wrote: post #27
monkmartinez wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah! Let those men and women making $55k a year pay for their "arrest insurance!" /s This is a terrible idea for so many reasons, I find it hard to believe it was brought up. Part of the reason why Doctors earn/charge so much is due to the insurance they must carry. I am a first responder and I would gladly carry insurance if I was compensated for it. Taken one step further, I would now like to be compensated for th…

> $55k a year This is actually a LOT. My mother who even has a PHD and works as a teacher only makes 16.8k per year.

if your mother has a PhD and only makes $17k/year, Its because she WANTS to in that She would rather do her job where she is at than move (geographically or career orientation-ally). People working fast food can make more than that.

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Post by snakeanus »

slamdance wrote: post #36
snakeanus wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $55k a year This is actually a LOT. My mother who even has a PHD and works as a teacher only makes 16.8k per year.

if your mother has a PhD and only makes $17k/year, Its because she WANTS to in that She would rather do her job where she is at than move (geographically or career orientation-ally). People working fast food can make more than that.

Moving and finding a job in another country is not something trivial, especially if you get 17k/year.

Re: EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders

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Post by gmiller123456 »

0x445442 wrote: post #16
alyandon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only negative consequences are to the taxpayer that has to pay to settle these things out of court. Would be nice if the arresting officers were held financially liable to some degree and then you can bet they'd make a better effort to be sure they were making lawful arrests.

This is an interesting thought. Like other professions which have license to affect an individual physically, such as doctors, perhaps the first responders should carry some type of "malpractice" malpractice insurance.

From the article:

>Adelman sued the officer and DART.

Re: EFF to Court: The First Amendment Protects the Right to Record First Responders

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Post by Mythanar »

elorm wrote: post #30

No one sees anything wrong with this ? What about the privacy of the victim? I'm not sure I'd like my pictures or a video of me suffering/dying all over the internet. Is this not the same reason families ask for privacy when suicide/attempted suicide victims are being attended to ?

From the OP, this happened in the public place. There is no expectation of privacy, nor should there be.
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