Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

The internet is not isolated from the physical world. Some times "the cloud" seems like an ethereal place, but in the end there are servers somewhere with hardware that can break, that needs maintenance and that can be confiscated by the government. Technology doesn't solves political problems, it just makes governments more efficient.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by tryingagainbro » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 6:14 PM UTC

This has very little to do with internet freedom etc; Catalonia has threatened to leave Spain via a referendum. There are very few things countries will not do to keep the country together. Think of "war on terror" on steroids.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by iagooar » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 6:55 PM UTC

It's pretty sad to see how weak some of the recent democracies are. At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves, even though many thought an independent Scotland would be a huge mistake.

Now compare that with the Spanish government. Banning a referendum, raiding political parties and Catalonian government offices, arresting government officials, flirting with far-right politics, de-facto suspending the Catalonian autonomy and basically abandoning any democratic dialog.

Now, there is no going back. I wish the best of luck to my friends in Catalonia. Shall they be allowed to express their desire to leave or stay in Spain in peace. I wish no one to get hurt during these turbulent weeks.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by dogma1138 » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 7:00 PM UTC

tryingagainbro wrote: post #5

This has very little to do with internet freedom etc; Catalonia has threatened to leave Spain via a referendum. There are very few things countries will not do to keep the country together. Think of "war on terror" on steroids.

Yes just like England carpetbombed Glasgo to stop the Scottish referendum.

/s

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by tryingagainbro » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 7:10 PM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #7

tryingagainbro wrote: post #5

This has very little to do with internet freedom etc; Catalonia has threatened to leave Spain via a referendum. There are very few things countries will not do to keep the country together. Think of "war on terror" on steroids.

Yes just like England carpetbombed Glasgo to stop the Scottish referendum. /s

Can I mention a few counterexamples? I guess no need to because you know. Yeah in 2017 some things are no longer accepted in the heart of Europe but Yugoslavia, Ukraine etc are recent examples.

IIRC, you have the right to leave in peace, use your language, autonomy and not be discriminated but declaring independence is quite a few steps above that.

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by plehoux » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 7:13 PM UTC

I'm amazed by how the Spanish government manages all of this. Haven't they study independence movements in Canada and the U.K.?

The only reason Quebec is not a country is that the Canadian government kept a 'somewhat' cool head during the two referendums.

Breaking Point is a damn good CBC documentary about the Quebec referendum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl7lOundk4Y

Re: Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices

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Post by pfortuny » Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 7:14 PM UTC

iagooar wrote: post #6

It's pretty sad to see how weak some of the recent democracies are. At least in the UK the government allowed people to express themselves, even though many thought an independent Scotland would be a huge mistake. Now compare that with the Spanish government. Banning a referendum, raiding political parties and Catalonian government offices, arresting government officials, flirting with far-right politics, de-facto su…

Well, well, well, well... You should read the constitution and compare it to what the catalonian establishment is doing.

The rule of law applies also to politicians.