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Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs (2016)

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>> I don't understand - why would cheap/free drugs prevent gun battles No profit to fight over >> car break ins No need to find hundreds of dollars a day to support the habit >> or OD'ing? Known quantities of known substances can help people avoid OD from either the wrong thing (fentanyl lately) or unexpected purity. >> As far as I'm aware, junkies still need money to eat/sleep/drink and very few have a reliable sour…

That's a strange argument. Alcohol is a drug sold in the open pretty much everywhere. You still see plenty alcoholists unable to keep a job, stealing things, fighting and even dying from their habit. It's almost as if easily accessible drugs doesn't fix the underlying problem here.

But alcohol addiction of itself is not a crime.

Sure: being drunk in various contexts may be, and can be a serious crime (drink driving, certain commercial operators expecially). But being in possession of alcohol, drinking it in your home, sharing it with friends (provided above legal age and not driving): not a crime.

You've got the fundamental problem of addiction, for those who are addicted (many are, many are not). But you aren't layering on the additional crime of criminalisation.

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I don't understand - why would cheap/free drugs prevent gun battles, car break ins or OD'ing? As far as I'm aware, junkies still need money to eat/sleep/drink and very few have a reliable source of income. All gun battles aren't over drugs, and would still occur. And not all overdoses are caused by tainted drugs.

>> I don't understand - why would cheap/free drugs prevent gun battles No profit to fight over >> car break ins No need to find hundreds of dollars a day to support the habit >> or OD'ing? Known quantities of known substances can help people avoid OD from either the wrong thing (fentanyl lately) or unexpected purity. >> As far as I'm aware, junkies still need money to eat/sleep/drink and very few have a reliable sour…

That's great but the original comment implied that all of the above would stop. My comment refuted it, your comment is agreeing - in that it wouldn't stop it but may reduce it.

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I agree, but if someone somehow gets a hold of drugs--and puts it in their body they shouldn't go to jail for that... putting substances in one's own body doesn't necessarily hurt others--unless they become violent as a result - but until they commit some violent crime hopped up on meth -- innocent till guilty of a violent crime. Morality and what not should not be forced on people. And most people with drug dependen…

Problem is, if there's anyplace more expensive to keep a person than in prison, it's probably in a hospital. Doctors and nurses make a lot more money than guards (and a hospital treating drug addicts will need guards too).

Well I don't think that statement was meant to be taken literally - you don't just sentence someone to 4 years of hospital instead of 4 years of prison. It's more that you provide support for anyone with drug problems whether that is counselling, support for kicking the habit, replacement drugs on prescription (methadone or what have you) clean needles and needle exchanges.

We should be doing this anyway for the sake of treating people humanely instead of cruelly. The fact that it'd probably be cheaper and would result in more productive, healthy citizens is just a pleasant side-effect.

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> Finally. I hope this will signal a turning point on this insane approach to national health in all countries. Honestly, until the people in power start saying this stuff, nothing seems likely to happen. We've had a parade of experts, medical groups, police commissioners (in the UK), and ex-politicians all calling for change, but the people actually in power are either too set in their ways or too scared to rock the…

It's not just the people in power, it's the people themselves. Most of the citizenry have been brainwashed that "drugs are bad, m'kay?". A majority now think that cannabis should be legal, but harder drugs should still be illegal to "protect us". This is somewhat understandable in that there are serious problems with drug use (it killed my brother), but we need education to show that the cure is worse than the diseas…

But is the cure really worse than the disease? If it can be shown that broad, across-the-board legalization of all drugs would triple heroin addiction, would you be okay with that?

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Alcohol is illegal here until you're 21, and then there are rules like no driving after drinking. We even tried to make it illegal but it wasn't tenable. Gambling is also illegal or very regulated in my state. And opiates are a controlled substance, you can't get them without an Rx. I think we're talking at cross-purposes. I'm talking about the ravages of drug addiction on society. It's not about protecting you , it'…

By far the most ravaging drug in the world is alcohol. So just like alcohol you put rules in place around drugs. The reason drugs cost so much is because they are illegal, not because they cost a lot to produce or distribute. So we make the drug dealers rich, or we put them in prison, and this has a corrupting effect on police, border patrol, and who knows how many other organizations. Plus we spend a ton of money, l…

|By far the most ravaging drug in the world is alcohol

Ever considered that this has something to do with it being the most accessible and normalised?

If you could pick up crack at your corner store, if it was advertised everywhere, if crack brands sponsored large sporting events and people commonly went for a puff after work, do you really think it won't be the most ravaging drug in the world, and exponentially worse than alcohol?

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By far the most ravaging drug in the world is alcohol. So just like alcohol you put rules in place around drugs. The reason drugs cost so much is because they are illegal, not because they cost a lot to produce or distribute. So we make the drug dealers rich, or we put them in prison, and this has a corrupting effect on police, border patrol, and who knows how many other organizations. Plus we spend a ton of money, l…

|By far the most ravaging drug in the world is alcohol Ever considered that this has something to do with it being the most accessible and normalised? If you could pick up crack at your corner store, if it was advertised everywhere, if crack brands sponsored large sporting events and people commonly went for a puff after work, do you really think it won't be the most ravaging drug in the world, and exponentially wors…

Portugal legalized all drugs years ago, and addiction rates have gone down.

Re: Top medical experts say we should decriminalize all drugs (2016)

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Drugs cause psychopathic behavior in those who didn't take them. It is all because of a self-enslavement formula where it is magically expected to have every angle of everyones life managed by others. I say we force them to smoke the weed and calm them the fuck down. It's just better for them.

I suppose I should clarify that without joking so much.

Drug addiction can be very harmful but society retaliating against the victim is endlessly worse.

Its like death by a thousand cuts, everyone seems to want to take a stab at the person as if that is going to cure them but it only makes them use more. They have to hang out with criminals to buy their fix and become one themselves to finance it.

A drug addict can be successful and have a happy life but only if no one finds out. When people do it triggers a kind of social death spiral.

You get the proverbial guy drinking a liter of coffee then smoking a cigar with a glass of whiskey at 11 am ranting about drugs as if the drug user is the embodiment of evil on earth.

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