> How to use styled-components to make JavaScript in React do what CSS can do on it’s own.
Stopped reading right there. CSS-in-JS is one of the main reasons I'm even using React to begin with.
JavaScript development is not fun for me anymore
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#22>Plus, now I have to learn what Redux is, and how Vue is the next best thing that happened since Angular 2.0. How to use styled-components to make JavaScript in React do what CSS can do on it’s own. I'm glad I get to call the shots where I work, and I've steered my team clear of all of this stuff. If you have a deep knowledge of the core technologies -- HTML, JS, and CSS -- you can build a great front end with a reas…
To me this kind of thinking sounds so strange. A framework is (like it's namesake) a frame that you can build around, it's a tool that enforces restrictions on you by design. Obviously there is some overhead to learning that framework, but the idea is that the framework is built by someone who spends their day-job building the framework. They are going to do a better job of designing a framework than you will in most…
Yes, frameworks are tools, but they're typically overspecialized and poorly designed. If vanilla JS is a cnc machine, Angular is an injection mold for a toy truck. If you're building a toy truck, that's awesome.
If you're building anything else, say, a hand mixer, you're going to spend just as much time on the cnc machine trying to design toy truck whisk attachments as you would have spent just building a new mold with the incredibly powerful cnc you already have.
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#2314 year .NET veteran here. For me Javascript (actually Typescript) using Vue as the front-end reinvigorated my joy of creating web applications again.
Vue is the only glimmer of hope a JS project gave me for the last 5 years.
I actually sent a donation the very first afternoon I started to read their doc, because I decided that even if I would not end up using it, I wanted the author to be supported for just existing in the universe.
Of course I ended up using it anyway.
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#24I don't think there's that big a problem with how many front-end frameworks there are, and the pace of development. I think the problem is people who feel they have to use the latest and greatest feature and they have to know all the frameworks. At my company we picked a stack and stuck with it. That happened to be React and Redux. I hear Angular 2 and Vue are really great frameworks but I feel under no pressure to r…
Agreed. Honestly at this point I'll take boring. I'd welcome boring. People really need to stop upgrading 0.1 second after something comes out. Take the Java world. You can have a lot of criticism for the language or the platform, but the reality is people get shit done without upgrading right away. It's not even part of the culture. This allows people to master the platform and tools. In the JS world, there's no mas…
The issue is leadership. If someone high enough forces standardization, then you are good to go. Just like the old days of only being an 'X' language shop and using only 'Y' framework.
I think the irony is that all the freedom I used to see frontend people using is coming back to bite them and their mindset is slowly moving towards what backend people have been doing for a long time.
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#25Speaking as someone who has seen the ebb and flow of frameworks galore on the front-end and back-end, I've found many devs swing back and forth between love and loathing. It's just a natural evolution of how we use tools, and quite often the over/under application of those for the problems we're trying to solve with them.
We've never had more options available to all of us to build complex systems, applications and services using highly-targeted tools. The new-framework-a-day pace at which these become available to us is fine, but honestly doesn't move the needle for most of us.
A former leader of mine once said: you build things with tools, not popularity contests. I've found keeping such a perspective makes my stress level manageable.
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#26The desire to constantly switch JS frameworks is really confusing. I find each one different, exciting in their own way and fun to learn. However, and this is a big however, none of them radically change the work you'll create, so I'm happy with React, and not interested in learning just to learn. Maybe in a year or two, I'll try Vue, it won't be too hard to pick up. If you're at BigCo making internal apps, each one…
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#27I don't think there's that big a problem with how many front-end frameworks there are, and the pace of development. I think the problem is people who feel they have to use the latest and greatest feature and they have to know all the frameworks. At my company we picked a stack and stuck with it. That happened to be React and Redux. I hear Angular 2 and Vue are really great frameworks but I feel under no pressure to r…
Frameworks don't rust, but skillsets do.
Re: JavaScript development is not fun for me anymore
#28I don't think there's that big a problem with how many front-end frameworks there are, and the pace of development. I think the problem is people who feel they have to use the latest and greatest feature and they have to know all the frameworks. At my company we picked a stack and stuck with it. That happened to be React and Redux. I hear Angular 2 and Vue are really great frameworks but I feel under no pressure to r…
> Frameworks don't rust.
Ah, the optimism of youth. Frameworks don't rust if you don't mind sticking with the security bugs of 10-year-old kernels. If you need to upgrade your OS, you need to upgrade your programming languages, which means you need to upgrade your frameworks.
Everything rusts pretty quickly. Maybe you don't need the new features, but you definitely need the new bugfixes.
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#29I teach a course at upenn on intro to javascript. Perhaps the most useful advice I give to my students is that often the simplest tools will get the job done i.e. you don't need React, Redux frontend stack because for most cases jquery will get the job done much quicker. Only worry about the frontend libraries when you feel it's getting out of hand, otherwise, the simple, straightforward tools will suffice.
I guess it depends on how you define simple. To me, React is far simpler than jQuery because of its declarative nature. It’s simple to reason about and easy to maintain and change. I would say it’s a much more straightforward tool than jQuery. However, advising them to delay state management (Redux, MobX) until needed is definitely a good idea.
(Also, hey neighbor—I live right off campus)
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#30Well, that's what happens when you move the problems from the server to the browser (routing, dynamic data, auth, etc). instead of focusing only on UI you are working on a complete application.
I like making SPAs, but there is really no need to do that. In many cases making an SPA is not even desirable.